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re: NIL is not free market capitalism
Posted on 12/15/21 at 9:53 pm to Adam Banks
Posted on 12/15/21 at 9:53 pm to Adam Banks
Yes. So why do we care about it now
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Posted on 12/15/21 at 9:56 pm to TomRollTideRitter
NCAA fricked this all up
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:01 pm to WestCoastAg
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Regardless of your opinion on NIL or pay for play
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Its truly beyond me why this bothers yall
Try reading friend.
Shallow arguments like “but it’s a free market,” when the market is anything but, should bother anyone even if they agree with the outcome the shallow argument supports.
Strong arguments can be made for compensating student athletes in excess of cost of attendance. “Free market” is not one of them.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:02 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Amazing post OP should be stickied
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:04 pm to BilJ
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Yeah I think this is what’s sort of being forgotten in all this. Football is headed towards NFL light and they assume the passionate fan bases will remain as long as they slap that same logo across the helmets…I’m beginning to think otherwise.
I obviously can’t speak for others, but my interest is waning for sure. I’m giving up my LSU season tickets and using that extra money to upgrade our Saints season tickets next year.
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:04 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Agreed.
And if the school has to “line up” NIL deals, then the player has no value.
College fans support their school.
95 percent of college athletes bring less value to the school than their scholarships are worth.
This whole idea that athletes are getting a bum deal is ridiculous.
And if the school has to “line up” NIL deals, then the player has no value.
College fans support their school.
95 percent of college athletes bring less value to the school than their scholarships are worth.
This whole idea that athletes are getting a bum deal is ridiculous.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:05 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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The value of these athletes is derived from being attached to the universities they play fo
Yeah & so?
In the professional leagues, players who play in major markets often earn more in endorsements than similar players of their talent in small markets.
Players at big programs will earn more than those at smaller programs.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:05 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Agree 100%. These players provide some value, but not as much as the general public would think. Fans proudly rep their universities with merch that isn’t associated with any single player. D3 athletes in Bama and Auburn unis would still produce a sellout for the game.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:07 pm to hiremikeleach
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Isn’t the worth in a free market literally determined by the market?
All the market makers in this instance are publicly funded and therefore, are publicly owned and have a duty to the public. Understand that when say Texas boosters pay Quinn Ewers however much, they aren’t doing that just because they care about Texas football so much.
They do it to generate political power and universities are one of the easiest vehicles to do just that.
Hence my original quote that NIL is more akin to political palm-greasing than a free market. Most of the deals make no business sense aside from the political clout associated.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:08 pm to WestCoastAg
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Yes. So why do we care about it now
Because they simultaneously paired it with open transfers.
Even in the pros there is a contract with a specified time the player will be there. Fans can get invested.
Now there is zero loyalty by the player to the team that has a fan base who is 100% loyal to the team.
I’m not sure what’s so difficult to understand why the vast majority of fans are upset about this.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:10 pm to Adam Banks
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Now there is zero loyalty by the player to the team that has a fan base who is 100% loyal to the team.
I’m not sure what’s so difficult to understand why the vast majority of fans are upset about this.
This. LSU has invested two years into Eli Ricks, and now he’s decided he wants to go play for Alabama. He can do so with no consequence, which is absurd.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:13 pm to BilJ
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they assume the passionate fan bases will remain as long as they slap that same logo across the helmets…I’m beginning to think otherwise.
BillJ,
And if the fanbases decrease, the money will dry up & then we are back to only scholarship athletes.
If college softball can survive as a sport, I’m sure college football will find a way to make it even if not as popular.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:15 pm to slackster
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Let this stuff play out a few years and then we’ll revisit. My sincere belief is that this will all sort itself out. NIL mega-deals are basically just lighting money on fire from an economic impact standpoint, and the transfer portal and high school recruiting doesn’t change the fact you can only have 85 scholarship players at time.
I understand why people hate it right now, and they may never like it, but the chaos will settle down soon enough.
Exactly. Right now it's fun and games but no one likes losing money long term.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:15 pm to TrueLefty
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NIL is ridiculous, but if big money guys that support these schools want to throw money at kids, that's on them. I absolutely believe that these endorsement deals will start including contracts with language protecting their investments.
That said, the free reign on transfers is a complete disaster.
Because LSU is losing the battle with other schools!
Here is the thing about NIL--the elite prospects who present themselves as professional & educated are raking in endorsements while those who elite but do not have the professional discipline aren't getting deals because they are considered too risky to the reputation of those companies willing to dole out cash.
Drew Timme, Chet Holmgren, Paolo Banchero are banking with NIL money. Some kid who can barely speak english and hangs out with the wrong crowd is getting scraps.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:18 pm to Adam Banks
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Even in the pros there is a contract with a specified time the player will be there. Fans can get invested.
Now there is zero loyalty by the player to the team that has a fan base who is 100% loyal to the team.
Adam,
Make better NIL deals. Have language that requires paying back a % of the deal if the player leaves a program without playing a set amount of games.
Backload deals so that they are more valuable in year 2 or 3.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:22 pm to CovingtonTigre
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Backload deals so that they are more valuable in year 2 or 3.
And then the kid bails to a school that will front him more in year 1.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:24 pm to CovingtonTigre
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Have language that requires paying back a % of the deal if the player leaves a program without playing a set amount of games.
As if that’s ever going to happen and even if it happened the first time it tried to get enforced the media would demonize them like they demonized the ncaa for giving 18 year olds free tuition free healthcare room board books and a spending allowance to play a game in which 95% of said athletes would make absolutely nothing playing otherwise.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:30 pm to Adam Banks
quote:who’s fault is it that millions of fans contributed billions of dollars that went to stadiums and coaches? We decided that the players had SOMETHING to do with that
the media would demonize them like they demonized the ncaa for giving 18 year olds free tuition free healthcare room board books and a spending allowance to play a game in which 95% of said athletes would make absolutely nothing playing otherwise.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:31 pm to slackster
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I am in support of it, but I can still understand why it’s frustrating to have entire teams basically quit on you
I'm sorry but who had an entire team quit on them b/c of NIL or the portal?
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:37 pm to chalmetteowl
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who’s fault is it that millions of fans contributed billions of dollars that went to stadiums and coaches? We decided that the players had SOMETHING to do with that
Have you looked at the stands at a g league game?
Mind you those players are far better than the average SEC basketball team.
Tiger stadium was expanded when LSU was at its worst in 1999
The name on the jersey drives this far more than some 18 year old prima donna
Eventually the bubble is going to pop to a degree. Too many Spencer rattler type deals.
Just because it may get reigned in some doesn’t mean that it was a good idea.
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 10:37 pm
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