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re: Nascar is about to die
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:14 am to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:14 am to TbirdSpur2010
They won't save Nascar. We all see the empty stands
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Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:09 am to JoeHackett
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The new Roval at Charlotte actually looks interesting.
New? I raced around that in my Showroom Stock Civic SI in 1988
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:34 am to Haughton99
I mean...is this really a surprise? When some of the most well-known drivers going into 2018 are Chase Elliot, Kevin Harvick, and the Busch brothers, you know there is a problem.
Jimmie Johnson is the only elite driver left on the circuit and there are no big name drivers left who were racing in the 1990s (the best decade for the sport IMO).
From a marketing standpoint, NASCAR hit its peak in 05-06. But whatever goodwill they built up during that time was destroyed by the implementation of the Chase. The decision to go to a playoff format was the deathknell for the sport.
Jimmie Johnson is the only elite driver left on the circuit and there are no big name drivers left who were racing in the 1990s (the best decade for the sport IMO).
From a marketing standpoint, NASCAR hit its peak in 05-06. But whatever goodwill they built up during that time was destroyed by the implementation of the Chase. The decision to go to a playoff format was the deathknell for the sport.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:43 am to Haughton99
Nascar will never be as popular as it was in the late 90s/early 2000s. That's a given so what can Nascar do to stop to bleeding?
Shorten races. Daytona can stay the 500 and the 600 miler at Charlotte can stay because of tradition but no other race should be over 400. Most should be 300s. Gotta cut the time commitment down for viewers.
Shorten the season. You can't compete against the NFL and as soon as your season overlaps with the NFL your ratings are going to nosedive. One trip to every track and be done.
Quit insisting that your drivers be PC robots. Nascar needs a good ole shite talker like Darrell Waltrip to make some headlines and raise some interest. Jimmie Johnson dominated the sport during the decline partly because he may be the most boring human on the planet.
Cut the nonsense out of the race broadcasts. If my directv guide says that the race starts at 2pm, when I tune in at 2pm I shouldn't see people standing all over the front stretch and drivers hanging with their families on pit road. Start the broadcast when cars start rolling down pit road.
This would be a good start.
Shorten races. Daytona can stay the 500 and the 600 miler at Charlotte can stay because of tradition but no other race should be over 400. Most should be 300s. Gotta cut the time commitment down for viewers.
Shorten the season. You can't compete against the NFL and as soon as your season overlaps with the NFL your ratings are going to nosedive. One trip to every track and be done.
Quit insisting that your drivers be PC robots. Nascar needs a good ole shite talker like Darrell Waltrip to make some headlines and raise some interest. Jimmie Johnson dominated the sport during the decline partly because he may be the most boring human on the planet.
Cut the nonsense out of the race broadcasts. If my directv guide says that the race starts at 2pm, when I tune in at 2pm I shouldn't see people standing all over the front stretch and drivers hanging with their families on pit road. Start the broadcast when cars start rolling down pit road.
This would be a good start.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:44 am to RollTide1987
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no big name drivers left who were racing in the 1990s
You want to see Mark Martin, Rusty Wallace, Bobby Labonte and Jeff Gordon back out there?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:46 am to emoney
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I agree with anyone talking about the youth not being interested. Hell I'm not that old but I used to care a little about NASCAR until I got to college. Racing just doesn't have a market for younger generations, which is the same for many sports, especially football now too.
All the vanilla marketing and watered down @ track environment has a lot to do with the 'youth' not being interested.
In NASCAR alone, look @ Watkins Glenn and Dega. Both continue to thrive w/ huge crowds as most others dwindle. Saturday night @ Dega has a 'mystique' that draws people and the Glenn offers something unique and fun. Kentucky is trying to cater to the youth as well, but they just have a god awful boring on track product.
F1 had so-so attendance @ the USGP the first few years, then started making it an 'event' w/ huge music acts and its been packed the last few years.
Indy w/ the snake pit and performances helps draw more, and they've also done a good job making their race weekends 'spectacles' and parties too. Long Beach, St Pete, Barber, Mid Ohio, Toronto, now St. Louis, etc... have all been well attended the last few years.
Even IMSA, the Sebring race consistently has massive crowds b/c they fostered that 'rowdy'/fun atmosphere that draws people.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:47 am to Haughton99
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Shorten races. Daytona can stay the 500 and the 600 miler at Charlotte can stay because of tradition but no other race should be over 400. Most should be 300s. Gotta cut the time commitment down for viewers.
Shorten the season. You can't compete against the NFL and as soon as your season overlaps with the NFL your ratings are going to nosedive. One trip to every track and be done.
Quit insisting that your drivers be PC robots. Nascar needs a good ole shite talker like Darrell Waltrip to make some headlines and raise some interest. Jimmie Johnson dominated the sport during the decline partly because he may be the most boring human on the planet.
Cut the nonsense out of the race broadcasts. If my directv guide says that the race starts at 2pm, when I tune in at 2pm I shouldn't see people standing all over the front stretch and drivers hanging with their families on pit road. Start the broadcast when cars start rolling down pit road.
This would be a good start.
THIS!
I might actually watch if these changes were implemented.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:49 am to Bama and Beer
Yeah I went for a bachelor party. The race was an experience, but it didn’t make the trip.
Some good points in here that I can agree with. Comparing NASCAR to the old WWF/WWE, most don’t care about the “sport” of wrestling, they care about their favorite wrestler. Gordon was the perfect heel in his time coming in at the same time a legend like Petty was going out. He was the outsider winning against established fan favorites. With the legends and legacies gone, everyone is a Gordon.
The other point is the decline in motor sport racing interest, which is obvious considering this thread, but in the 90’s you even knew the names of Jeremy McGrath, John Force, and Juan Pablo. That might just be the case of watching too much late night sports center though.
Some good points in here that I can agree with. Comparing NASCAR to the old WWF/WWE, most don’t care about the “sport” of wrestling, they care about their favorite wrestler. Gordon was the perfect heel in his time coming in at the same time a legend like Petty was going out. He was the outsider winning against established fan favorites. With the legends and legacies gone, everyone is a Gordon.
The other point is the decline in motor sport racing interest, which is obvious considering this thread, but in the 90’s you even knew the names of Jeremy McGrath, John Force, and Juan Pablo. That might just be the case of watching too much late night sports center though.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 9:57 am to RuLSU
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I grant your point otherwise, though
OK, fair enough, the hairpin is certainly iconic. But it's still a boring corner...F1 cars whizzing by at 25 miles an hour.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:01 am to Bama and Beer
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They won't save Nascar. We all see the empty stands
NASCAR has to reinvent itself, not try to recapture the past. What caused the peak in the mid-00s was timing. Big names known well to longtime fans met with better nationwide distribution and dynamic personalities. It caught lightning in a bottle.
But it has to evolve to stay relevant. Tweaking the length of races/the season is a start. And as popular as it is to hate on the Chase, NOT having it would have hastned the decline. It's good for the sport and has to stay.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:07 am to TbirdSpur2010
If you dont like NASCAR, go watch all those cuddled millennial NBA players who havr zero respect for their coaches and authority! That is what will bring down the NBA!
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:11 am to OU812
I love NASCAR. What the shite are you babbling about THIS time, you chucklefrick?
Every time I see your arse, you're up in here acting a plumb fool.
Do better. Be better.
Every time I see your arse, you're up in here acting a plumb fool.
Do better. Be better.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 10:12 am
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:14 am to Haughton99
Lost what little interest I had when they instituted the 'Chase'/'Playoff' system.
Holy stupid shite, Batman...
ETA: restrictor plates are stupid, too...
Holy stupid shite, Batman...
ETA: restrictor plates are stupid, too...
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 10:16 am
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:25 am to Haughton99
I put NASCAR's fall on several factors.
1) The economic downturn really hurt them. Not just the teams, but the fans. Fans could no longer afford to go to races, particularly to races where they had to travel and camp/stay in a hotel.
2) Nascar made the switch to the Car of Tomorrow, which really hurt the competitiveness. Plus people didn't like the look of the cars.
3) Many of the drivers lack personality, they aren't relatable to the the fans like the Earnhardt's, Allison's, etc.
4) The on-track product is simply not as good as it once was. The beating and banging, the rivalries, the photo-finishes. All of that is rare these days.
5) The constant changing of rules, the playoff/chase format, the lack of consistency in enforcing the rules. Also, constant changing of the car.
6) Now, the most popular drivers of the last 15 or 20 years are retired/retiring. No more Dale Jr., Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart, Matt Kenseth, Greg Biffle, or Carl Edwards.
7) Chairman and CEO of NASCAR, Brian France.
1) The economic downturn really hurt them. Not just the teams, but the fans. Fans could no longer afford to go to races, particularly to races where they had to travel and camp/stay in a hotel.
2) Nascar made the switch to the Car of Tomorrow, which really hurt the competitiveness. Plus people didn't like the look of the cars.
3) Many of the drivers lack personality, they aren't relatable to the the fans like the Earnhardt's, Allison's, etc.
4) The on-track product is simply not as good as it once was. The beating and banging, the rivalries, the photo-finishes. All of that is rare these days.
5) The constant changing of rules, the playoff/chase format, the lack of consistency in enforcing the rules. Also, constant changing of the car.
6) Now, the most popular drivers of the last 15 or 20 years are retired/retiring. No more Dale Jr., Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart, Matt Kenseth, Greg Biffle, or Carl Edwards.
7) Chairman and CEO of NASCAR, Brian France.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 10:27 am
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:27 am to Roll Tide Ravens
Excellent points.
God the CoT was so bad
God the CoT was so bad
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:31 am to Roll Tide Ravens
When's the last time two drivers got into a fight that wasn't started when Kevin Harvick pushed one driver into another?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:39 am to Bama Shadow
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Motorsports viewership all around has declined in the US. NHRA rarely sells out and I shudder to think what their ratings are. I think there are several factors, but a big one IMO is there isn't much of a car culture in America like there use to be. Cars are cookie cutter from all manufacturers, and stupid expensive and difficul to modify for your average teen so they gravitate to other things. Showing my age here, but 25-30 years ago in my HS days, everyone went cruising every Fri, Sat, and Sun. Guys loved showing off their cars and what had been done to them. I couldn't tell you when the last time I saw kids cruising around here.
This is the best answer. I was in high school a mere 8 years ago and feel that I caught the last breath of American car culture. Many people I went to school with have 90's-mid 2000's model cars that were still easily supped up and modified. Today, when cars are generic, more expensive and less interchangeable it takes the fun out of making it your own. Hell, it's about impossible to even change the stereo deck out on most of these newer model cars because everything is molded into the dash.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:49 am to SSpaniel
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When's the last time two drivers got into a fight that wasn't started when Kevin Harvick pushed one driver into another?
Las Vegas race this season Busch vs Logano
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:03 am to weadjust
How about the IROC races of years ago on legendary tracks with legendary drivers.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:20 am to Haughton99
Its got to be the most boring thing I have ever seen televised. A bunch of cars go in a big circle for several hours. How it ever got on TV in the first place is the mystery.
Now if they had giant Mad Max like weapons that would cut up the other cars I might watch, but .....
Now if they had giant Mad Max like weapons that would cut up the other cars I might watch, but .....
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