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re: Nascar is about to die
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:05 pm to The Quiet One
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:05 pm to The Quiet One
NASCAR was doomed to a decline because it abandoned what put it into position for it's rise: The drivers were real people that you could relate to (and actually talk to at many tracks), and the cars were really based on production vehicles (to varying degrees, over time) and the manufacturers were really involved in supplying race teams (to varying degrees, over time). It's the formula that they need to go back to. I doubt it can ever be as 'big time' as it was a few years ago, but it could be a viable, popular, sport going forward.
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Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:18 pm to corneredbeast
Americans are more attuned to watch "a race."
Rather than "a season" of races.
Indy 500 or Daytona fine. People will tune in. It's an event. Americans like spectacles.
That's Nascar and Indy's forever problems...it's a spectacle sport...not a "gotta tune in to every race sport."
Rather than "a season" of races.
Indy 500 or Daytona fine. People will tune in. It's an event. Americans like spectacles.
That's Nascar and Indy's forever problems...it's a spectacle sport...not a "gotta tune in to every race sport."
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:46 pm to Haughton99
Is Ricky Bobby still driving? God I hated that French queer, Jean Girard.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:53 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Bring back Ward Burton and Dick Trickle
Instead of left turns, try right turns.
Instead of left turns, try right turns.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 3:54 am to Haughton99
Life long fan here - my $.02:
1) Costs of going to races is astronomical now and a major deterrent for people to travel. Went to the Daytona 500 this year and a shite 2* hotel a couple of miles from the track was over $200/night. Same thing happened for the Geico 500 at Talladega in the spring. No real hotels near that track so the hotels around Birmingham jacked up their prices to over $200/night.
That's a major reason why the stands are half empty - hotels want a mortgage payment for a weekend stay at Motel 6 near the track. It's just not affordable to casual fans anymore.
2) TV coverage is abysmal. Entirely too many commercials and the on air crews SUCK. Rick Allen for NBC has convinced me that he is the first on air robot. Literally has 5 buzz phrases he spills out EVERY SINGLE RACE: "(car number) goes around! Martin Truex's home track! "Facing adversity!". The radio guys for MRN blow those NBC turds off the map just on enthusiasm alone. Give me Bagley and Moody calling a race any day of the week over the bland tv douches.
3) Execs at NASCAR leaned on Dale entirely too much for the last 5 years and now nobody outside of the dedicated fans knows who Ryan Blaney, Bubba Wallace, or Brad Keselowski is. Like him or hate him, Brad does an amazing job off the track with charity work but you'd never know anything about it because every damn week the brass would put Dale on a pedestal for the media even though he's been running mediocre on track. It was all Dale all the time, even the week after Blaney and Stenhouse got their first wins of their careers - the very next week at the track they'd put Dale in the media room while the track owners would give him some b.s. retirement gift. Now that he's gone, I fully expect them to push Jimmy on the media nonstop instead of rotating the 18-25 year olds to get name recognition built with the new guys.
4) Rockingham and North Wilkesboro are dead and not coming back. I'm tired of hearing people point to those tracks as the glory days. The reason why they're not around anymore is because they were both in over served areas and had trouble selling tickets during the "glory days" because there was no infrastructure around the track - hotels, airports, highways, etc. Las Vegas sells tickets like crazy to the casinos and tourists, and Fontana has done well since cutting back to 1 race/year. Get over it.
5) The constant negative posting on damn near anything related to NASCAR on FB. Everything they post has an angry face as the reaction and someone who is bitching about how they lost them as a viewer. Thing is it's the same 30 people spamming and giving each other the thumbs up. I've pointed this out to their social media team and they won't do anything about it. How well does that look for sponsors and someone casually passing by? They just don't seem to care about the constant negativity on their social media.
6) There are a lot of places that don't deserve second dates - Charlotte and Texas being the main. Pull the second dates from boring 1.5 mile tracks and shorten the season. Cut back on the amount of 500 mile races as well.
7) They have got to figure out a way to cut down the costs of the cars - it's gone from sponsors overpaying to be on the car to sponsors dictating who is driving the car. Example - Matt Kenseth doesn't have a ride for 2018 but Aric Almirola does simply because Smithfield likes him for some reason. I know they're trying the flange fit car in xfinity next season and new engine use rules, but from what I heard last is that teams needed $20m/year now to operate 1 team. That's nuts.
And end rant. I can go on for longer but I'm tired of typing. I love NASCAR - always have and I'll watch it and try to go to a race each year until it's airing races on Spike tv.
1) Costs of going to races is astronomical now and a major deterrent for people to travel. Went to the Daytona 500 this year and a shite 2* hotel a couple of miles from the track was over $200/night. Same thing happened for the Geico 500 at Talladega in the spring. No real hotels near that track so the hotels around Birmingham jacked up their prices to over $200/night.
That's a major reason why the stands are half empty - hotels want a mortgage payment for a weekend stay at Motel 6 near the track. It's just not affordable to casual fans anymore.
2) TV coverage is abysmal. Entirely too many commercials and the on air crews SUCK. Rick Allen for NBC has convinced me that he is the first on air robot. Literally has 5 buzz phrases he spills out EVERY SINGLE RACE: "(car number) goes around! Martin Truex's home track! "Facing adversity!". The radio guys for MRN blow those NBC turds off the map just on enthusiasm alone. Give me Bagley and Moody calling a race any day of the week over the bland tv douches.
3) Execs at NASCAR leaned on Dale entirely too much for the last 5 years and now nobody outside of the dedicated fans knows who Ryan Blaney, Bubba Wallace, or Brad Keselowski is. Like him or hate him, Brad does an amazing job off the track with charity work but you'd never know anything about it because every damn week the brass would put Dale on a pedestal for the media even though he's been running mediocre on track. It was all Dale all the time, even the week after Blaney and Stenhouse got their first wins of their careers - the very next week at the track they'd put Dale in the media room while the track owners would give him some b.s. retirement gift. Now that he's gone, I fully expect them to push Jimmy on the media nonstop instead of rotating the 18-25 year olds to get name recognition built with the new guys.
4) Rockingham and North Wilkesboro are dead and not coming back. I'm tired of hearing people point to those tracks as the glory days. The reason why they're not around anymore is because they were both in over served areas and had trouble selling tickets during the "glory days" because there was no infrastructure around the track - hotels, airports, highways, etc. Las Vegas sells tickets like crazy to the casinos and tourists, and Fontana has done well since cutting back to 1 race/year. Get over it.
5) The constant negative posting on damn near anything related to NASCAR on FB. Everything they post has an angry face as the reaction and someone who is bitching about how they lost them as a viewer. Thing is it's the same 30 people spamming and giving each other the thumbs up. I've pointed this out to their social media team and they won't do anything about it. How well does that look for sponsors and someone casually passing by? They just don't seem to care about the constant negativity on their social media.
6) There are a lot of places that don't deserve second dates - Charlotte and Texas being the main. Pull the second dates from boring 1.5 mile tracks and shorten the season. Cut back on the amount of 500 mile races as well.
7) They have got to figure out a way to cut down the costs of the cars - it's gone from sponsors overpaying to be on the car to sponsors dictating who is driving the car. Example - Matt Kenseth doesn't have a ride for 2018 but Aric Almirola does simply because Smithfield likes him for some reason. I know they're trying the flange fit car in xfinity next season and new engine use rules, but from what I heard last is that teams needed $20m/year now to operate 1 team. That's nuts.
And end rant. I can go on for longer but I'm tired of typing. I love NASCAR - always have and I'll watch it and try to go to a race each year until it's airing races on Spike tv.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 3:58 am
Posted on 11/25/17 at 12:27 am to SSpaniel
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You want to see Mark Martin, Rusty Wallace, Bobby Labonte and Jeff Gordon back out there?
I'd love to see drivers similar to them. The cult of the personality really aided NASCAR along during the 1980s and 1990s. You had some of the most colorful, egotistical, and charismatic men racing at that time. The current crop of drivers have nothing on the personalities of the men you mentioned above from days gone by.
Men who talked shite and backed it up on the track with reckless abandon hardly exist anymore. Men like Earnhardt, Petty, Gordon, Pearson, and the Alabama Gang are long gone and are really needed for the sport to really take hold once again.
This post was edited on 11/25/17 at 12:31 am
Posted on 11/25/17 at 12:37 am to tWildcat
I hate the chase but it's not why I don't watch. The cars and drivers are boring.
The whole point of stock car racing was to race... stock cars.
These are generic machines completely void of personality or unique attributes outside of stickers.
The whole point of stock car racing was to race... stock cars.
These are generic machines completely void of personality or unique attributes outside of stickers.
This post was edited on 11/25/17 at 12:38 am
Posted on 11/25/17 at 12:39 am to Haughton99
I don't care for car racing anyway, so it wouldn't hurt my feelings any. I definitely wouldnt lose any sleep if nascar was to end. Those hillbillies on the other hand...you take away their nascar and wrestling, and you will have serious issues.
This post was edited on 11/25/17 at 12:41 am
Posted on 11/25/17 at 2:37 am to StrongBackWeakMind
I loved Twisted Metal. Awesome game.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 6:15 am to Haughton99
Have seen the fall of NASSCAR coming ever since it got all fricking corporate back in the early - mid nineties.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 7:31 am to Horsemeat
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3) Execs at NASCAR leaned on Dale entirely too much for the last 5 years and now nobody outside of the dedicated fans knows who Ryan Blaney, Bubba Wallace, or Brad Keselowski is.
This is absolutely true and when Jr, or Hendrick or even Chevy didn't when a championship the sport seem to shite all over that champion like a Kurt Busch. When Kenseth won they thought the championship was broken and it morphed into what it is now.
Also Nascar had the COT and with JJ winning 4 or 5 championships in a row; great accomplishment but damn it made the other 40 drivers or so and their fans irrelevant. Not sure how one driver/team got such an advantage at the beginning of the COT but it took awhile for everyone else to catch up.
Then the event that sent NASCAR on its current death spiral is Dale Jr. joining up with Hendrick. You basically had the 3 most popular drivers in Dale Jr, Jeff Gordon and Jimmy Johnson on a single team and with it all the corporate money that goes along with it.
Hendrick sucked so much wind out of NASCAR besides Gibbs, and Penske (because of Brad) no other team can really get any air to flourish with media air time and corporate dollars. No other drivers could get much time for them to connect with the fans.
It just seemed back in the 80's with a whole lot less media exposure you could easily catch on to a Davey Allison, Kulwicki, Mark Martin, and Bill Elliot.
It's not like the crop of new drivers who have come on to the scene the last 5 years are unlikable but I have zero connection with them. Which now I'm not willing to invest much time on a Sunday afternoon in July because the NASCAR product is such crap.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 7:46 am to Zephyrius
I haven’t watched nascar in years. I still find time every year to catch Le Mans though.
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