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re: In defense of Principal Jane Griffin and Winnfield Senior High School
Posted on 11/15/13 at 4:04 pm to la champ1
Posted on 11/15/13 at 4:04 pm to la champ1
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This idea that everybody that plays or participates, is a champion and gets a trophy is exactly what's wrong with America today. That's not real life, and when young people hit the real world they don't know how to handle it because they are used to having the rules bent to make them feel good about themselves.
There has to be a balance somewhere between "everybody gets a trophy" and having zero chance at all to win a title because of teams operating on a completely different plane than your school.
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Posted on 11/15/13 at 4:26 pm to LSU316
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That is the biggest football factory
You don't know what a football factory is obviously. Evangel graduates used to get GEDs. When you have 400 students K-12, boys and girls, and 100 are varsity football players, that's a football factory. West Monroe is one of the top public schools in the state. WM has roughly 5-6% of their student population in football. Huge difference.
By all means though put us in Select. We would win state every year. It's a much easier path than Non Select in 5A. As someone else pointed out, no private school except Evangel has beaten WM in the playoffs...ever...
This post was edited on 11/15/13 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 11/15/13 at 9:16 pm to oldtimefootball
oldtimefootball, Damn pops! You either need to drop your crayons and get your nose out of the government cheese or go check your Pop-Tarts because I think they're burning!
I usually don't respond to ignorant posts like this but you're low hanging fruit. It's no wonder since you're from Winnfield that you have the "Every man a King!" mentality.
Why is it important that you know how many Curtis football players pay their tuition? I'm a taxpayer so I pay for your kid(s)to go to Winnfield High School. So who's getting a free education? I'm a Curtis alum. My parents paid what they could and my dad and I worked off the rest of the tuition. We painted classrooms, mopped and buffed floors, sold programs at the football games and many other jobs that needed to be done around school. Today there are plenty of players, non-athletic students and parents that work off the tuition.
Most of the chirping is coming from rural Louisiana, mainly Winnfield. Obviously schools from the larger cities have larger pools to draw students. If you live in the country, either play with who you have in school or move to a more populated area. As for recruiting, all private and parochial schools do it. They have to in order to keep the doors open. Don't kid yourself, there are plenty of public schools that recruit as well, see northeast Louisiana. Here is a suggestion for public schools, recruit your hallways. I bet there are plenty of talented kids in your school but for whatever reason aren't playing. Get those kids out on the field!
You also mentioned in another post, "John Curtis has more black kids every year. This is not in any way to bring race into this discussion. You have got to be kidding me if you try to tell me that these kids have the money to pay the thousands of dollars that a private school costs." ARE YOU SERIOUS?!! Take your Klan hood off and step into the new millennium! John Curtis Christian has seen an increase in black students of the past 20 years. But since you live in backwoods rural Louisiana you can't comprehend that not all black kids live in wooden shacks on a plantation. John Curtis Christian has plenty of students white AND black who come from middle to upper middle class families. AND believe it or not John Curtis Christian has several black kids who come from affluent families. Check this out. This is going to blow your mind. Last year's Valedictorian was a football player. He started attending John Curtis Christian in Pre-K. He earned a football scholarship to Tulane. Oh by the way he comes from a mixed relationship. His father(white)has a good job and his mother(black)is a nurse in the Louisiana National Guard and is an attorney in her civilian life. That's just one of many success stories in the 51 years of John Curtis Christian.
You bring up that Curtis had a chance to move up to Class 5A and didn't. A lot of people say that. Well we didn't because the administration was looking out for the whole athletic program. Unfortunately that's not good enough to satisfy the public. I hope there is a "football only" class and that Coach JT puts the Patriots in it. The Patriots have NEVER shied away from competition. We have played at #1 Hoover, AL in 2006 and #1 Euless Trinity (TX)in 2008. Over the years the Patriots have played several schools from Texas to Florida. MANY teams from the higher classifications in Louisiana refuse to play the Patriots. Let's use this year as an example of how the Patriots will play anyone. Here were the first 5 games: Bergen Catholic from New Jersey; St. Thomas Aquinas from Ft. Lauderdale; FL, East St. John (5A); Karr (4A) and St. Aug (5A). Nobody in Louisiana had it tougher than the Patriots in the pre-district schedule.
The Patriots Nation won't apologize for it's success. All 25 football championships have been paid for with sweat equity. So I ask you oldtimefootball,is it fair to criticize the Patriots for having 90%+ attendance during the summer voluntary workouts (4 days a week) when a kid in north central Louisiana has to work the farm or a kid from the bayou has to work his dad's shrimp boat and doesn't have equal time to prepare for the upcoming season? Is it fair to criticize the Patriots for being in a metropolitan area and have a larger pool to draw from?
Here's the secret to the Patriots success. W-O-R-K! Nobody outworks the Patriots. The key is to be as productive as possible during practice. Coach JT doesn't cut anyone. During practice everyone gets multiple reps, even the Freshman. The Patriots don't have a QB Club or Booster Club to answer to like some rural schools have. Also during playoffs (hunting season) the Patriots are focused on football, not the deer stand or duck blind.
The previous system wasn't perfect but it's light years better than what's in play this season. Louisiana is too small to have 9 champions. The mentality that the public schools can't compete is hogwash. The Patriots have played in 33 state championships, winning 25 and losing 8. Did you know that the Patriots have played a public school in 23 of the 33 championship games? 70% of the Patriots state championship games were against public schools. Coach JT has lost 56 games. Did you know that 34 of the 56 losses were to public schools? Coach JT has lost more to public schools than private.
All you need to know about Coach JT is this. He was head coach in the All Star game that was played in Baton Rouge 11 times. He was 11-0 in those games. He only had the kids for 5 days before the game and somehow managed to go undefeated coaching kids that he never coached before.
I'm not here to sell you on the Patriots. I'm here to present the truth. But something tells me you can't handle the truth. So instead of focusing on why another school is so successful, spend that time and energy on getting your school better. If you recruit your halls, have quality coaching, productive practices and keep the booster clubs at arms length you might be a bit more successful.
Geaux Patriots!
I usually don't respond to ignorant posts like this but you're low hanging fruit. It's no wonder since you're from Winnfield that you have the "Every man a King!" mentality.
Why is it important that you know how many Curtis football players pay their tuition? I'm a taxpayer so I pay for your kid(s)to go to Winnfield High School. So who's getting a free education? I'm a Curtis alum. My parents paid what they could and my dad and I worked off the rest of the tuition. We painted classrooms, mopped and buffed floors, sold programs at the football games and many other jobs that needed to be done around school. Today there are plenty of players, non-athletic students and parents that work off the tuition.
Most of the chirping is coming from rural Louisiana, mainly Winnfield. Obviously schools from the larger cities have larger pools to draw students. If you live in the country, either play with who you have in school or move to a more populated area. As for recruiting, all private and parochial schools do it. They have to in order to keep the doors open. Don't kid yourself, there are plenty of public schools that recruit as well, see northeast Louisiana. Here is a suggestion for public schools, recruit your hallways. I bet there are plenty of talented kids in your school but for whatever reason aren't playing. Get those kids out on the field!
You also mentioned in another post, "John Curtis has more black kids every year. This is not in any way to bring race into this discussion. You have got to be kidding me if you try to tell me that these kids have the money to pay the thousands of dollars that a private school costs." ARE YOU SERIOUS?!! Take your Klan hood off and step into the new millennium! John Curtis Christian has seen an increase in black students of the past 20 years. But since you live in backwoods rural Louisiana you can't comprehend that not all black kids live in wooden shacks on a plantation. John Curtis Christian has plenty of students white AND black who come from middle to upper middle class families. AND believe it or not John Curtis Christian has several black kids who come from affluent families. Check this out. This is going to blow your mind. Last year's Valedictorian was a football player. He started attending John Curtis Christian in Pre-K. He earned a football scholarship to Tulane. Oh by the way he comes from a mixed relationship. His father(white)has a good job and his mother(black)is a nurse in the Louisiana National Guard and is an attorney in her civilian life. That's just one of many success stories in the 51 years of John Curtis Christian.
You bring up that Curtis had a chance to move up to Class 5A and didn't. A lot of people say that. Well we didn't because the administration was looking out for the whole athletic program. Unfortunately that's not good enough to satisfy the public. I hope there is a "football only" class and that Coach JT puts the Patriots in it. The Patriots have NEVER shied away from competition. We have played at #1 Hoover, AL in 2006 and #1 Euless Trinity (TX)in 2008. Over the years the Patriots have played several schools from Texas to Florida. MANY teams from the higher classifications in Louisiana refuse to play the Patriots. Let's use this year as an example of how the Patriots will play anyone. Here were the first 5 games: Bergen Catholic from New Jersey; St. Thomas Aquinas from Ft. Lauderdale; FL, East St. John (5A); Karr (4A) and St. Aug (5A). Nobody in Louisiana had it tougher than the Patriots in the pre-district schedule.
The Patriots Nation won't apologize for it's success. All 25 football championships have been paid for with sweat equity. So I ask you oldtimefootball,is it fair to criticize the Patriots for having 90%+ attendance during the summer voluntary workouts (4 days a week) when a kid in north central Louisiana has to work the farm or a kid from the bayou has to work his dad's shrimp boat and doesn't have equal time to prepare for the upcoming season? Is it fair to criticize the Patriots for being in a metropolitan area and have a larger pool to draw from?
Here's the secret to the Patriots success. W-O-R-K! Nobody outworks the Patriots. The key is to be as productive as possible during practice. Coach JT doesn't cut anyone. During practice everyone gets multiple reps, even the Freshman. The Patriots don't have a QB Club or Booster Club to answer to like some rural schools have. Also during playoffs (hunting season) the Patriots are focused on football, not the deer stand or duck blind.
The previous system wasn't perfect but it's light years better than what's in play this season. Louisiana is too small to have 9 champions. The mentality that the public schools can't compete is hogwash. The Patriots have played in 33 state championships, winning 25 and losing 8. Did you know that the Patriots have played a public school in 23 of the 33 championship games? 70% of the Patriots state championship games were against public schools. Coach JT has lost 56 games. Did you know that 34 of the 56 losses were to public schools? Coach JT has lost more to public schools than private.
All you need to know about Coach JT is this. He was head coach in the All Star game that was played in Baton Rouge 11 times. He was 11-0 in those games. He only had the kids for 5 days before the game and somehow managed to go undefeated coaching kids that he never coached before.
I'm not here to sell you on the Patriots. I'm here to present the truth. But something tells me you can't handle the truth. So instead of focusing on why another school is so successful, spend that time and energy on getting your school better. If you recruit your halls, have quality coaching, productive practices and keep the booster clubs at arms length you might be a bit more successful.
Geaux Patriots!
Posted on 11/15/13 at 9:31 pm to Dixie Tiger
Dixie, this needs it's own thread, "in defense of John Curtis"
Posted on 11/15/13 at 9:42 pm to coopsdad
Private Schools form own league, pay officials 3x the amount that public schools pay, don't schedule public schools at all. Recruiting rules only apply in private league; you leave public you can play right away in private, wait one year private to private.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 8:57 am to Cardigan
The irony of this is that a big winner in realignment is John Curtis...they are in a class with STM and Notre Dame and other quality private schools
Good post Dixie. I've observed John Curtis over the years, and while the origins of the school in the 1960s were questionable, JT has done a terrific job bringing that school into the mainstream. I think they turned the corner the short period in which the were in the NOLA public school league.
That John Curtis gets so much talent isn't surprising. Why do so many good players want to go to Alabama? At Curtis, you get high quality coaching and you win like crazy. And the classes are small and you have a good chance to develop your academics. I remember Andrew Nierman, who started at center for us for 4 years, was a valedictorian...JT begged Toledo to offer him him a schollie and it was to our advantage...he was one of the few bright spots in a dull, to say the least, regime.
Good post Dixie. I've observed John Curtis over the years, and while the origins of the school in the 1960s were questionable, JT has done a terrific job bringing that school into the mainstream. I think they turned the corner the short period in which the were in the NOLA public school league.
That John Curtis gets so much talent isn't surprising. Why do so many good players want to go to Alabama? At Curtis, you get high quality coaching and you win like crazy. And the classes are small and you have a good chance to develop your academics. I remember Andrew Nierman, who started at center for us for 4 years, was a valedictorian...JT begged Toledo to offer him him a schollie and it was to our advantage...he was one of the few bright spots in a dull, to say the least, regime.
This post was edited on 11/16/13 at 9:00 am
Posted on 11/16/13 at 9:04 am to Overbrook
actually.. .from what I hear...
the 1a, 2a and 5a select schools really like the split..... as long as they don't have to deal with JC and ECA....
the 1a, 2a and 5a select schools really like the split..... as long as they don't have to deal with JC and ECA....
This post was edited on 11/16/13 at 9:05 am
Posted on 11/16/13 at 9:06 am to choupiquesushi
hey dixie tiger...
what % of boys playing football and hoops at curtis are holdback>?
just curious not a flame.
what % of boys playing football and hoops at curtis are holdback>?
just curious not a flame.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 9:26 am to oauron
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So you're butthurt about losing JC and your Principal takes it out on the rest of the state
Uh, Jane Griffin simply went to the poduim and introduced the measure that was voted on and approved by the majority of LHSAA members. You guys act like Jane Griffin went on a campaign to get this split. Man, what power you think she has. Get your facts straight before you start scape goating Jane Griffin
Posted on 11/16/13 at 9:46 am to NorthTiger
She crafted the measure with help from a few other principals
She isn't just the narrator, she is the co-author
She isn't just the narrator, she is the co-author
This post was edited on 11/17/13 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 11/16/13 at 10:15 am to supatigah
I am a Winnfield football fan. I was in the Dome in 1982 when Winnfield defeated Curtis for the AA state title and I was there in 2011 when Curtis pasted Winnfield 33-3.
In that 30 year time frame I've seen the range of football teams at Winnfield.....good, bad and ugly Just five years before playing in the 2011 title game Winnfield went 0-10. That is far from the norm, but going to a title game is not the norm either. Winnfield historically fields a good team, but let's face it....the program has only been to the title game 4 times in the past 50 years.
In a small town like Winnfield every so often you have a group of talent come together and a coaching staff that can draw out that talent and you can make a deep playoff run. The 1982 and 2011 were among the best teams ever assemebled at Winnfield. Sometimes"the best" don't make it to the title game and sometimes teams who seem to have good but not great talent do.
When Winnfield faced Curtis in 1982 they were an underdog, but only a slight underdog. Winnfield jumped out to a 20-0 first quarter lead but J. T.Curtis made adjustments and Winnfield fortunately made enough adjustments also to walk away with a 23-14 win.
In 2011 Winnfield faced one of the best Curtis teams in the history of the program in my opinon. I try to be a realist. I went to the game thinking it would take a major upset for Winnfield to defeat Curtis. I went to the game ready to just watch my alma mater contend for a state title, with slim hope we would win. We hung with Curtis for a half, but football games have two halves.
I did not walk away from the Dome dejected that we got beat soundly by Curtis. While Winnfield was fortunate to have brought together a rare high number of outstanding football players, Curtis had better talent. Year after year, Curtis has more talent than virtually every AA school, but the 2011 Curtis team was exceptonal.
So, don't count me as a Winnfield fan who is angry over the 2011 loss to Curtis. I'm just glad to know that one of those years that Winnfield put together an outstanding team we won the title and that we did it against the best.
In that 30 year time frame I've seen the range of football teams at Winnfield.....good, bad and ugly Just five years before playing in the 2011 title game Winnfield went 0-10. That is far from the norm, but going to a title game is not the norm either. Winnfield historically fields a good team, but let's face it....the program has only been to the title game 4 times in the past 50 years.
In a small town like Winnfield every so often you have a group of talent come together and a coaching staff that can draw out that talent and you can make a deep playoff run. The 1982 and 2011 were among the best teams ever assemebled at Winnfield. Sometimes"the best" don't make it to the title game and sometimes teams who seem to have good but not great talent do.
When Winnfield faced Curtis in 1982 they were an underdog, but only a slight underdog. Winnfield jumped out to a 20-0 first quarter lead but J. T.Curtis made adjustments and Winnfield fortunately made enough adjustments also to walk away with a 23-14 win.
In 2011 Winnfield faced one of the best Curtis teams in the history of the program in my opinon. I try to be a realist. I went to the game thinking it would take a major upset for Winnfield to defeat Curtis. I went to the game ready to just watch my alma mater contend for a state title, with slim hope we would win. We hung with Curtis for a half, but football games have two halves.
I did not walk away from the Dome dejected that we got beat soundly by Curtis. While Winnfield was fortunate to have brought together a rare high number of outstanding football players, Curtis had better talent. Year after year, Curtis has more talent than virtually every AA school, but the 2011 Curtis team was exceptonal.
So, don't count me as a Winnfield fan who is angry over the 2011 loss to Curtis. I'm just glad to know that one of those years that Winnfield put together an outstanding team we won the title and that we did it against the best.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 10:35 am to NorthTiger
Thing about that game is y'all should know and be proud that y'all had a great team... Whether y'all ended up with the trophy or not
Posted on 11/16/13 at 11:40 am to chalmetteowl
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Thing about that game is y'all should know and be proud that y'all had a great team... Whether y'all ended up with the trophy or not
Proud to say we won 14 games that year.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 11:50 am to choupiquesushi
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hey dixie tiger...
what % of boys playing football and hoops at curtis are holdback>?
just curious not a flame.
Dixie has only posted 2 times in 9 years, he may not come back soon haha.
I will tell you that hold backs are rare nowadays, and nobody gets held back once they get to the high school (7th grade). If anyone is getting held back, it is usually repeating a grade from K-2, but not many kids are even doing that. Basically, it's nothing that cant be done at ANY school. I don't know of a single kid starting that has been held back at Curtis.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 12:37 pm to GhostofJackson
LOL...touche'. I'm back! Been reading for years but haven't seen many good threads to post a reply. I belong to another board so I spend more time there. Even on that site I usually don't respond to the anti Curtis posts. A fellow Patriot shared this thread on FACEBOOK and I couldn't hold my tongue any longer. People are going to believe what they want but I felt it was important to tell the truth.
Good question about the holdbacks. Honestly today I don't know. The rules changed in regards to holding kids back. If someone who knows please correct me but I understand that if a kid stays back in the 8th grade he forfeits his senior year. I think the cutoff to hold a kid back is the 6th grade? Holding kids back was a common practice at Curtis. I did not stay back. I didn't need to academically or athletically. Let's go back 25 years to my senior season in 1988. We had 18 seniors. 7 of the 18 stayed back in the 8th grade so if I round up, 39% of the 1988 seniors were 8th grade holdbacks.
One of the issues that I have on the vote for the split is that principals from Classes B and C had a vote. My opinion is if you don't play football you have no say so in the matter. I don't know how many Class B and C principals voted but wonder if you took the number that did vote out, would the proposal still have been passed??
The problem with what is in play today wasn't fully thought out. I also find it hypocritical that the public schools were ok competing against private schools for district championships but want to split come playoff time. It'll be interesting to see what happens in January.
Good question about the holdbacks. Honestly today I don't know. The rules changed in regards to holding kids back. If someone who knows please correct me but I understand that if a kid stays back in the 8th grade he forfeits his senior year. I think the cutoff to hold a kid back is the 6th grade? Holding kids back was a common practice at Curtis. I did not stay back. I didn't need to academically or athletically. Let's go back 25 years to my senior season in 1988. We had 18 seniors. 7 of the 18 stayed back in the 8th grade so if I round up, 39% of the 1988 seniors were 8th grade holdbacks.
One of the issues that I have on the vote for the split is that principals from Classes B and C had a vote. My opinion is if you don't play football you have no say so in the matter. I don't know how many Class B and C principals voted but wonder if you took the number that did vote out, would the proposal still have been passed??
The problem with what is in play today wasn't fully thought out. I also find it hypocritical that the public schools were ok competing against private schools for district championships but want to split come playoff time. It'll be interesting to see what happens in January.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 12:48 pm to Dixie Tiger
Yeah someone on here says the big schools and the catholic league were responsible for play in class, and the select schools might have an advantage, but no matter how many wrongs you have, one more never makes a right.
A school can recruit all it wants but until a school has enough kids, they don't belong in a classification. Class 2a should have dealt with the problem in a way that did not affect any other class
A school can recruit all it wants but until a school has enough kids, they don't belong in a classification. Class 2a should have dealt with the problem in a way that did not affect any other class
Posted on 11/16/13 at 12:48 pm to Dixie Tiger
In regards to Curtis vs Winnfield, the Patriots and Tigers have a little playoff history. They first met in the 1979 Semi Finals. From what I hear, it was a classic. The Tigers had Ricky Chatman and Jeffery Dale among other great athletes. The Patriots won a close one.
In 1982, though the Patriots lost by 9, the Tigers were the better team. Winnfield was very fast and playing on artificial turf, they looked faster.
The 2011 game was close at half, 7-3. In the first half Winnfield's guards were getting to the Curtis LBs. A halftime adjustment, moving the LBs back a yard, allowed the LBs to use their speed to avoid being blocked and get to the edge faster so they could tackle the QB and RB.
It's unfortunate that Winnfield's principal has so much hate for Curtis. We respect Winnfield's history and program and have enjoyed competing against the Tigers.
In 1982, though the Patriots lost by 9, the Tigers were the better team. Winnfield was very fast and playing on artificial turf, they looked faster.
The 2011 game was close at half, 7-3. In the first half Winnfield's guards were getting to the Curtis LBs. A halftime adjustment, moving the LBs back a yard, allowed the LBs to use their speed to avoid being blocked and get to the edge faster so they could tackle the QB and RB.
It's unfortunate that Winnfield's principal has so much hate for Curtis. We respect Winnfield's history and program and have enjoyed competing against the Tigers.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 1:29 pm to Dixie Tiger
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It's unfortunate that Winnfield's principal has so much hate for Curtis. We respect Winnfield's history and program and have enjoyed competing against the Tigers
You were staying classy until this sentence. Where is your proof that Jane Griffin has hate for John Curtis?
Posted on 11/16/13 at 1:43 pm to NorthTiger
See the meetings last Spring. She doesn't say John Curtis but her remarks were aimed at the Patriots. You have to be blind not to see it.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 2:10 pm to Jim Rockford
That's all I need to know 
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