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re: How has Oklahoma avoided the fate of Nebraska and Tennessee?
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:57 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:57 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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And Knoxville is a shorter driver to Atlanta. What is your point?
Does Tenn have the inroads in ATL or the alumni base in ATL like OU has in DFW
Texas has so many players its not even funny. That and OU recruits on a national level. Tenn struggles at that.
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:58 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
proximity to Texas
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:58 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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So would you deduct that one bad hire for OU going forward could put themselves in a hole too big to dig out of, or are they somehow above that? And why, compared to the other two that started down that hole years ago
Oklahoma was not the job it is now when Stoops was hired. They had fallen on hard times thanks to hiring the likes of Gary Gibbs and John Blake to lead the program between the Switzer and Stoops eras. They absolutely nailed the Stoops hire. Had they hired another Blake, they would be in the same boat as Nebraska and Tennessee
Here are their yearly records between Barry's last year at OU and the Stoops hire:
7-4
8-3
9-3
5-4-2
9-3
6-6
5-5-1
3-8
4-8
5-6
OU was a shell of its former self. The stumbled across the right coach at the right time....and they have done it again with the Lincoln Riley hire
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:59 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
I also feel like Atlanta metro doesn’t have near the same representation with the Tennessee current student population and alumni base as DFW does with OU, but I don’t know that much about UT/Atlanta. I feel like this is a huge hidden factor that helps with OU recruiting in the area. There’s a decent sized but much smaller Houston contingent as well.
^^^what first post on this page said
^^^what first post on this page said
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 9/25/19 at 3:03 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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In-state recruiting is the backbone to the success of most college football teams. That is undeniable. Can UT be nationally relevant with a roster made up of 43 kids from Tennessee?
Yes imo, especially with the ability to supplement with players from GA, VA and the Carolinas as needed.
Over the past 5 classes the state of TN has produced 5 5*s and 45 4*s.
Van Jefferson, Ugo Amadi, Dillon Mitchell, Tyrel Dodson, Nygel Edmonds, Jacoby Stevens, Tee Higgins, Amari Rodgers, Cordarrian Richardson, Cade Mays, Jackson Sirmon, Maurice Hampton, Joseph Anderson, Lance Wilhoite, Trey Knox, Woodi Washington are all guys who have gotten away in that time period due to gross incompetence (either not offering or some type of big frick up by the HC).
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 9/25/19 at 3:04 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
great talent pool in texas they can pull from
Posted on 9/25/19 at 3:07 pm to StraightCashHomey21
NFL players by city at the beginning of last season. They can't just rely on DFW and expect to compete for championships. I know you know everything- but for one there ain't enough talent there, and secondly Texas and A&M are huge in DFW too.
Again, Knoxville is closer to Atlanta than Norman is to DFW. Why has Tennessee been horrible for a decade if it's as simple as being near a hotbed in another state?
By City:
24 — Miami, Fla.
20 — Houston, Texas
16 — Fort Lauderdale, Fla.
15 — Cincinnati, Ohio
14 — New Orleans, La.
12 — San Diego, Calif.
11 — Detroit, Mich.
11 — Orlando, Fla.
11 — Washington, D.C.
10 — Mobile, Ala
10 — Tampa, Fla.
By State
211 — Florida
185 — California
175 — Texas
123 — Georgia
76 — Ohio
60 — Alabama
59 — Louisiana
59 — Pennsylvania
55 — New Jersey
55 — North Carolina
47 — Virginia
46 — Illinois
43 — Michigan
43 — South Carolina
Again, Knoxville is closer to Atlanta than Norman is to DFW. Why has Tennessee been horrible for a decade if it's as simple as being near a hotbed in another state?
By City:
24 — Miami, Fla.
20 — Houston, Texas
16 — Fort Lauderdale, Fla.
15 — Cincinnati, Ohio
14 — New Orleans, La.
12 — San Diego, Calif.
11 — Detroit, Mich.
11 — Orlando, Fla.
11 — Washington, D.C.
10 — Mobile, Ala
10 — Tampa, Fla.
By State
211 — Florida
185 — California
175 — Texas
123 — Georgia
76 — Ohio
60 — Alabama
59 — Louisiana
59 — Pennsylvania
55 — New Jersey
55 — North Carolina
47 — Virginia
46 — Illinois
43 — Michigan
43 — South Carolina
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 9/25/19 at 3:10 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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That and OU recruits on a national level. Tenn struggles at that.
Part of the premise of the entire thread, because Tennessee and Nebraska were once really really good at that
Posted on 9/25/19 at 3:10 pm to Winston Cup
The Texas and DFW population growth has gone hand in hand with OU reestablishing it’s self as monster program.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 3:10 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
OU does extremely well recruiting nationally as well which I would agree would dry up in the case they missed on a coaching hire. I don’t think your Tennessee comparison is that far off, I think Nebraska is. I also see Tennessee as a poster child for organizational dysfunction in major college football right now, there’s a long way to fall for OU to reach that point
Posted on 9/25/19 at 3:10 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I also feel like Atlanta metro doesn’t have near the same representation with the Tennessee current student population and alumni base as DFW does with OU, but I don’t know that much about UT/Atlanta. I feel like this is a huge hidden factor that helps with OU recruiting in the area. There’s a decent sized but much smaller Houston contingent as well.
^^^what first post on this page said
Tennessee has some help in N Atlanta with two very influential people in that area pushing kids to Tennessee but the product on the field is so bad that they can't even get those kids.
Hell, Amari Rodgers' dad was Tennessee's last national championship QB, Tee Higgins' mom played basketball for the Lady Vols and Trevor Lawrence's family had season tickets at Tennessee when he was growing up and Tennessee went 0/3 there.
If Tennessee had a competent HC they would have no trouble getting talent.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 3:12 pm to volfan30
Yeah I don’t think access to talent is Tennessee’s issue. A badass home recruiting base can raise your floor I guess but it’s not going to hide a poorly run program.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 3:12 pm to StraightCashHomey21
also made Ok St a great place for good looking coeds
Posted on 9/25/19 at 3:13 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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NFL players by city at the beginning of last season. They can't just rely on DFW and expect to compete for championships. I know you know everything- but for one there ain't enough talent there, and secondly Texas and A&M are huge in DFW too.
Again, Knoxville is closer to Atlanta than Norman is to DFW. Why has Tennessee been horrible for a decade if it's as simple as being near a hotbed in another state?
Using NFL players from what city is a terrible metric to use in this discussion. For the fact many very good college players don’t make it pro.
And yes there is plenty enough players to go around in Texas to say otherwise is being naive or just clueless about Texas
Posted on 9/25/19 at 3:15 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Why has Tennessee been horrible for a decade if it's as simple as being near a hotbed in another state?
Bob Stoops and Lincoln Riley vs. Derek Dooley, Butch Jones and Jeremy Pruitt. Very easy.
In 2015-16 Tennessee was without a doubt one of the 10 most talented teams in the country
Butch Jones went all in on in state talent and legacy talent for 2 years in 15 and 16 and landed two top 5 classes and had a top 10 roster in the country just 3 years ago. Tennessee had 9 skill position players on that '15 team that are in the NFL + tons of guys from the front 7 that are in the NFL right now and lost to Oklahoma, Florida and Bama all on the final possession (blowing huge 2nd half leads to OU and UF). It was simply coaching malpractice but showed that you can easily build a roster good enough to compete if you are competent in recruiting.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 3:15 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Another question I would pose, is their continued success solely dependent on the mediocrity of Texas A&M?
Of all the stupid content in your OP, this bit takes the cake.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 3:16 pm to Winston Cup
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also made Ok St a great place for good looking coeds
Ok St has lived off TX players too
Posted on 9/25/19 at 3:17 pm to nicholastiger
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For Nebraska and even Colorado, leaving the Big 12 has really hurt them. Their brand was identified through that conference. Nebraska would have been better off staying connected to Oklahoma.
Colorado's decline is much more self-inflicted neglect than leaving the Big XII. Even during their glory days, they relied heavily on West Coast recruiting.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 3:18 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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there’s a long way to fall for OU to reach that point
The fall would have to be so far that this isn't really a conversation that needs to be had.
If we are doing this for Oklahoma, then we can do it for Alabama too, right? What about Clemson? They are only a few years removed from the mediocrity that was basically their entire history prior to Deshaun Watson.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 3:19 pm to StraightCashHomey21
DFW has been experiencing population growth for over 20 years now. This is nothing new.
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