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re: How has Oklahoma avoided the fate of Nebraska and Tennessee?
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:24 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:24 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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In-state recruiting is the backbone to the success of most college football teams. That is undeniable. Can UT be nationally relevant with a roster made up of 43 kids from Tennessee?
Also consider that Memphis doesn't carry any particular loyalty to Tennessee either. So one of the major talent producing areas of a state that already doesn't produce a ton is neutral territory at best.
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:24 pm to Oddibe
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Cable TV is the biggest downfall for Nebraska. Nebraska was one of the teams that always seemed to be on TV every weekend, when there were only 3 channels. So one of selling points to going to Nebraska was the ability to play on TV and win NC's. Neither of those are selling points today.
Great point, never thought of that before
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:28 pm to RidiculousHype
There was also a change in the way the Nebraska walk on program was allowed to work (as well as PED testing) that contributed to Nebraska's downfall.
Their famed walk on program was filled with in state kids that would have otherwise been on football scholarships but were at Nebraska on some legislative scholarship given to one kid from each county each year. Tom Osborne just had a way of making sure that scholarship went to the best athlete in that county each year.
Their famed walk on program was filled with in state kids that would have otherwise been on football scholarships but were at Nebraska on some legislative scholarship given to one kid from each county each year. Tom Osborne just had a way of making sure that scholarship went to the best athlete in that county each year.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:32 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Traditional football powers in small states with a low african american population. Tennessee and Nebraska have fallen by the wayside, while Oklahoma has not only remained relevant, but elite.
Tennessee isn't really a small state... nor one with a small AA population. At least not compared to Oklahoma or Nebraska.
And there are plenty enough recruits in TX to satisfy UT, A&M, OU, and even supplement LSU.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:36 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
OU has the Texas recruiting pipeline
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:39 pm to VABuckeye
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The jury is still out on that this year. Fields has been huge for Ohio State
I can't wait to see Fields play some good teams. I think he's a special talent, but he's still a bit of a mystery.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:39 pm to Bench McElroy
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Nebraska, Texas A&M, and Colorado were all going through downturns when OU began their run with Stoops.
Go back and check the rankings of the Big 12 teams OU beat in 2000 when they won the national championship.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:42 pm to WestCoastAg
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They made a good coaching hire and they didnt. Pretty simple
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ETA: Nebraska shouldn't have fired Pelini IMO. He had Nebraska as a consistent 9-10 win team. They were right on the cusp of competing in the easier BIG division.
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:46 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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How has Oklahoma avoided the fate of Nebraska and Tennessee?
Hiring Stoops as HC helped a TON and that he was extremely talented in hiring talented assistants made everything gravy going forward for the program.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:47 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
The Gibbs and John Blake years were pretty bad after Switzer. Then they made a great hire. Bob Stoops >>> than anyone Tenn or Nebraska has hired.
Plus, they have a big recruiting advantage with fertile DFW and Texas recruiting grounds just across the Red River.
Plus, they have a big recruiting advantage with fertile DFW and Texas recruiting grounds just across the Red River.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:48 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Take a look at these programs 15-20 years ago and they are remarkably similar. Traditional football powers in small states with a low african american population. Tennessee and Nebraska have fallen by the wayside, while Oklahoma has not only remained relevant, but elite.
OU is a short drive to DFW come on man at least try to do some research.
DFW has a huge OU alumni base.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:48 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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How has Oklahoma avoided the fate of Nebraska and Tennessee?
Because they are right next to Texas and recruit Texas well
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:49 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
I don’t think Tennessee and Nebraska’s issues are the same. If Tennessee had nailed their coaching hire after Fulmer they would be very similar to OU i think. Both have a decent but not fantastic home state recruiting base with a ton of neighboring talent close by.
Nebraska is a whole other situation in that regard
Nebraska is a whole other situation in that regard
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:49 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Oklahoma was a total dumpster fire for a while, but at least they recovered. Remember Gary Gibbs, Howard Schnellenberger, and John Blake?
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:51 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I don’t think Tennessee and Nebraska’s issues are the same. If Tennessee had nailed their coaching hire after Fulmer they would be very similar to OU i think. Both have a decent but not fantastic home state recruiting base with a ton of neighboring talent close by.
Nebraska is a whole other situation in that regard
Agreed. I wonder what Tennessee would be like now if Kiffin had stayed more than a year.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:51 pm to LSUBoo
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Tennessee isn't really a small state... nor one with a small AA population
Tennessee is a pretty small state at around 6.8 million people. 17% of that population is AA, and a large portion of that is hundreds of miles away in Memphis. Comparing them to Oklahoma or Nebraska, they're similar in that their main competition is coming from states with a higher AA population that can use in-state recruiting as a crutch. UTen can't compete signing 16 kids from Tennessee every year, neither can Oklahoma or Nebraska. Hell, OU signed 2 kids from Oklahoma last year.
Look at the programs UT is competing with. Alabama is 26% AA. Louisiana and Alabama are both similar in size at around 2 million less, but those states are 26% and 32% AA respectively. The state of Tennessee has just never been a hotbed for talent on a yearly basis.
I guess what i'm getting at, is that Oklahoma should look to Nebraska and Tennessee as a tale of caution. Like those two, they do not have the in-state talent to survive a bad coaching hire. One wrong move there could end up putting them in a hole with no end in sight. Once that first bad hire has taken place it can be hard to convince a good one to come on board.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:53 pm to ProjectP2294
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There was also a change in the way the Nebraska walk on program was allowed to work (as well as PED testing) that contributed to Nebraska's downfall.
Their famed walk on program was filled with in state kids that would have otherwise been on football scholarships but were at Nebraska on some legislative scholarship given to one kid from each county each year. Tom Osborne just had a way of making sure that scholarship went to the best athlete in that county each year.
Grey shirt like crazy and get them all huge on roids before they started getting playing time.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:54 pm to Packer
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ebraska shouldn't have fired Pelini IMO. He had Nebraska as a consistent 9-10 win team. They were right on the cusp of competing in the easier BIG division.
LOL you mean Frank Solich
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:55 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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OU is a short drive to DFW come on man at least try to do some research.
And Knoxville is a shorter driver to Atlanta. What is your point?
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:55 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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I guess what i'm getting at, is that Oklahoma should look to Nebraska and Tennessee as a tale of caution. Like those two, they do not have the in-state talent to survive a bad coaching hire. One wrong move there could end up putting them in a hole with no end in sight. Once that first bad hire has taken place it can be hard to convince a good one to come on board.
LOL
OU is a stones throw away from DFW
That recruting base isn't going away. OU is huge in the DFW area.
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