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re: Football is in decline.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 11:35 pm to BamaCoaster
Posted on 9/30/24 at 11:35 pm to BamaCoaster
I got suckered into following a premier league team my freshman year from the guy across the hall in the dorm from me. I haven't missed a match of my favorite club in over a decade 
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Posted on 10/1/24 at 12:24 am to slackster
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Offenses in general are just woeful.
Good. Let them be awful. They have changed the rules so goddamn much to favor the offense that I am proud it looks like dogshit. And yes I am saying this to spite Goodell.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 12:26 am to magildachunks
Good stop posting now
Posted on 10/1/24 at 12:42 am to magildachunks
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Football is in decline.
The game of football itself, as in the purity of the sport? Most definitely.
The public interest and revenue? Absolutely not. Thanks to fantasy football and casual viewers and the decline of all other live TV, football is more "popular" than ever.
This post was edited on 10/1/24 at 12:43 am
Posted on 10/1/24 at 2:32 am to magildachunks
Officiating has been pretty bad. Flags are just arbitrarily thrown on some of the most consequential plays of games. I’m not saying it’s fixed, but you can’t help but notice stuff that gets let go the rest of the game gets flagged on big plays. The league needs to decide what is and what is not offensive holding and stick to it. The inconsistency is a joke for a league as large and lucrative as the NFL.
As far as fundamentals, definitely the evolution of college football is affecting that. True “programs” where talent is developed in college players (like Iowa OL/TEs, UGA DL, etc) are kind of disappearing with the portal. I also think maybe the lengthened season is contributing to this. An 18 week regular season is so long, they’ve basically stopped practicing. I wonder how much the product on the field would change in a reduced pre-1978 schedule of 14 games. This will obviously never happen but it’s something to consider.
As far as fundamentals, definitely the evolution of college football is affecting that. True “programs” where talent is developed in college players (like Iowa OL/TEs, UGA DL, etc) are kind of disappearing with the portal. I also think maybe the lengthened season is contributing to this. An 18 week regular season is so long, they’ve basically stopped practicing. I wonder how much the product on the field would change in a reduced pre-1978 schedule of 14 games. This will obviously never happen but it’s something to consider.
This post was edited on 10/1/24 at 2:34 am
Posted on 10/1/24 at 5:16 am to Jack Ruby
You guys are mostly just (like me) getting old and remembering the good ole days as being better than they really were. You also are looking for reasons to shite on the portal because you don’t like it, even though coaches have been job hopping like fricking frogs for decades and I don’t imagine that has been great for so-called player development.
The best college offenses of the 1970s ran the fricking wishbone. OU was playing for and winning national titles with it all the way up to 1987. I can remember Michael Irvin playing WR in a fricking three point stance at Miami.
The amazing national championship QB’s of the 1990s were NFL legends like Darian Hagen, Gino Torretta, Jay Barker, Charlie Ward, Tommie Frazier, Danny Wuerffel, Scott Frost, Tee Martin, and Chris Weinke, Most of those guys didn’t even take a snap in the NFL.
And the game is a hell of a lot more complex and higher level than it used to be. An all-time defense like the 1985 Bears would get shredded by a team like the Chiefs. Physically and schematically outmatched.
The NFL today might be lacking a bit in brand name players, but that is just cyclical.
The best college offenses of the 1970s ran the fricking wishbone. OU was playing for and winning national titles with it all the way up to 1987. I can remember Michael Irvin playing WR in a fricking three point stance at Miami.
The amazing national championship QB’s of the 1990s were NFL legends like Darian Hagen, Gino Torretta, Jay Barker, Charlie Ward, Tommie Frazier, Danny Wuerffel, Scott Frost, Tee Martin, and Chris Weinke, Most of those guys didn’t even take a snap in the NFL.
And the game is a hell of a lot more complex and higher level than it used to be. An all-time defense like the 1985 Bears would get shredded by a team like the Chiefs. Physically and schematically outmatched.
The NFL today might be lacking a bit in brand name players, but that is just cyclical.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 5:19 am to NEOJoe
It doesn’t help we’re coming out of an era that had the below QBs:
Brady
Brees
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Prime Rodgers
Big Ben
Philip rivers
Matt Ryan
Cam Newton
Prime Russell Wilson
Andrew Luck
Stafford
Plus mahomes was beginning to emerge
I’m sure I’m missing some names too, but that’s a lot of really good, elite, and HoF QBs in one era of football.
Brady
Brees
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Prime Rodgers
Big Ben
Philip rivers
Matt Ryan
Cam Newton
Prime Russell Wilson
Andrew Luck
Stafford
Plus mahomes was beginning to emerge
I’m sure I’m missing some names too, but that’s a lot of really good, elite, and HoF QBs in one era of football.
This post was edited on 10/1/24 at 5:58 am
Posted on 10/1/24 at 5:24 am to magildachunks
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Football is not much fun to watch these days. How do they fix it?
I have 2 ideas of how to make the football better:
1. Renegotiate practice allotments to allow more fully padded practices in the off-season and during the regular season.
2. Increase the salary cap and the roster size so that more veteran players can be on teams for longer periods of time.
As for the flags, I’m not sure.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 5:44 am to magildachunks
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The QBs especially. This year is the worst crop of Quarterback play I can remember ever seeing in my 35+ years of fandom.
Evolution of the
Nevermind
Posted on 10/1/24 at 5:58 am to magildachunks
sincerely,
10 years ago
It's the Mediocre Football League, one of the worst pro versions in America. Even shitty MLS is on par with the MFL as far as quality.
10 years ago
It's the Mediocre Football League, one of the worst pro versions in America. Even shitty MLS is on par with the MFL as far as quality.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 6:03 am to magildachunks
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Go back to the mid eighties when I was old enough to finally understand what I was watching and find a worse group of QBs than what we are subjected to now.
I picked 1988 and here is the top 16 sorted by passing yard leaders
1. Marino
2. Jim Everett
3. Cunningham
4. Boomer
5. Neil Lomax
6. Jim Kelly
7. Phil Simms
8. John Elway
9. Vinny T
10. Bobby Hebert
11. Steve Puller
12. Joe Montana
13. Steve Deberg
14. Wade Wilson
15. Bubby Brister
16. Doug Williams
It gets really bad after 8 outside of Montana (but Neil Lomax can take his place)
Posted on 10/1/24 at 6:09 am to Globetrotter747
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The best college offenses of the 1970s ran the fricking wishbone.
I mean Nebraska was running its option attack into the early 00s
That Miami-TEN game was putrid last night (I turned it off), but go up to my list from 1988 and tell me which of those teams would look good with a backup v. a 3rd stringer who was just signed from another team's practice squad in 1988. It would have been a shitfest then, too.
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The NFL today might be lacking a bit in brand name players, but that is just cyclical.
The biggest issue is good defenses can stop the run while running 2 high shells.
Guess what: defenses in every era would dominate if they could stop the run running 2 high shells. Someone referenced the Tampa 2 earlier and that defense was dominant for like 15 years if teams had the right pieces. Take that defense and add a lot of complexity in the underlying coverage and that's what good Ds are like today. Good QBs sucked against the Tampa 2 back in the day and that was an easy arse coverage to read.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 7:00 am to magildachunks
Kickers are better than ever, so there’s that.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 7:00 am to Alyosha
Watched an SEC game lately?
Posted on 10/1/24 at 7:16 am to magildachunks
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Go back to the mid eighties when I was old enough to finally understand what I was watching and find a worse group of QBs than what we are subjected to now.
Qbs go in the first now who wouldn’t have gone in the first back then thanks to the rookie salary cap. First round qbs used to be incredibly expensive. The #1 overall often immediately becoming the highest paid player in the league or at least among the highest paid prior to the rookie salary cap.
Now teams can take risk on marginal talent because the financial risk aren’t as severe as they used to be.
This post was edited on 10/1/24 at 7:17 am
Posted on 10/1/24 at 7:16 am to magildachunks
When they added flag football to the Olympics that pretty much said it all. That's what the NFL and probably even the SEC want to sell you, eventually.
I put a lot of the blame on football video games. We've had at least two generations raised thinking that's what football is: long bombs, hook-and-ladder plays, big stats, dancing around in the end zone, etc.
All of that shite is just so contrary to what football was for the first 100 years or so of its existence: a brutal simulation of war.
I put a lot of the blame on football video games. We've had at least two generations raised thinking that's what football is: long bombs, hook-and-ladder plays, big stats, dancing around in the end zone, etc.
All of that shite is just so contrary to what football was for the first 100 years or so of its existence: a brutal simulation of war.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 7:23 am to Alyosha
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Unwatchable
One TV on Red Zone, other tv on Saints game. Works pretty good on Sunday.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 7:28 am to magildachunks
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Football is not much fun to watch these days. How do they fix it?
They are trying to expand their audience as traditional football fans have become disenchanted. Women and internationally.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 8:12 am to magildachunks
I was bitching about HS football the other day.
Everybody has to run the SAME shite. RPO, spread, zone read. It’s crazy.
High school: people run it whether they have the people to run it or not. 4 munchkins spread wide to run a draw. On a 4th and 1.
College: Bubble screens and draws. Pray your coach allows your QB to avoid contact.
NFL: Plenty of talent to run anything but the talent is on the other side too. Enough talent to kill your QB. Need to find such a talented QB to run it and is mature enough to slide or just trot out of bounds. In addition to having the vision to realize when he’s about to get killed.
Defenses at the NFL level are catching on as they always do. That can make a game unwatchable.
Everybody has to run the SAME shite. RPO, spread, zone read. It’s crazy.
High school: people run it whether they have the people to run it or not. 4 munchkins spread wide to run a draw. On a 4th and 1.
College: Bubble screens and draws. Pray your coach allows your QB to avoid contact.
NFL: Plenty of talent to run anything but the talent is on the other side too. Enough talent to kill your QB. Need to find such a talented QB to run it and is mature enough to slide or just trot out of bounds. In addition to having the vision to realize when he’s about to get killed.
Defenses at the NFL level are catching on as they always do. That can make a game unwatchable.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 8:24 am to Globetrotter747
quote:
You guys are mostly just (like me) getting old and remembering the good ole days as being better than they really were. You also are looking for reasons to shite on the portal because you don’t like it, even though coaches have been job hopping like fricking frogs for decades and I don’t imagine that has been great for so-called player development.
HEY!!!! I RESEMBLE THAT REMARK!!!!!
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