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re: Florida State planning to leave ACC.. and challenge withdrawal penalty in court

Posted on 12/22/23 at 10:48 am to
Posted by GamecockUltimate
Columbia,SC
Member since Feb 2019
6857 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 10:48 am to
quote:


Its a brand

Geographic areas dont really matter. You want brands.


a shite brand
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
Georgia
Member since Aug 2013
7512 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 10:51 am to
Welcome to the ACC Hunger Games
Posted by Gings5
HTX
Member since Jul 2016
7997 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 10:54 am to
ND needs to join a conference. It’s insane they get a benefit for not playing a conference title game.
Posted by DMagic
#ChowderPosse
Member since Aug 2010
46490 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 10:55 am to
Catholics been free loading for a while on that Comcast money
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37123 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 10:56 am to
Did they not sign a contract?

I don’t want those crybabies in the SEC.
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
14240 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 10:58 am to
I can't imagine FSU wanting to cut a deal with the SEC. Bobby Bowden verbally said he wanted no part in playing ALABAMA and the barners every year. Now what? The SEC is a death march to the playoffs.
Posted by RummelTiger
Texas
Member since Aug 2004
89885 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:01 am to
quote:

I can't imagine FSU wanting to cut a deal with the SEC. Bobby Bowden verbally said he wanted no part in playing ALABAMA and the barners every year. Now what? The SEC is a death march to the playoffs.


You do realize that Bobby no longer runs things there and a lot has changed since 1990.
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
14240 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:03 am to
quote:

You do realize that Bobby no longer runs things there and a lot has changed since 1990.



Dad GUM!!
Posted by RummelTiger
Texas
Member since Aug 2004
89885 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:03 am to
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
24936 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:04 am to
quote:

Good. They will likely win too.


Havent kept up with their arguments. What is FSU’s basis for not fufilling its contractual obligations?
Posted by Keys Open Doors
In hiding with Tupac & XXXTentacion
Member since Dec 2008
31913 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:05 am to
I have yet to see an explanation for why they will win.
Posted by OleVaught14
Member since Jun 2019
6874 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:08 am to
Stolen from another site:

The following is a summary of the
FSU Board of Trustees meeting.

FSU's Legal Arguments

The ACC's Agreements and extensions of the agreements are in violation of the State of Florida's Anti-Trust laws.

The ACC's penalties via the Grant of Rights buyout and the conference Severe Penalty (payment to leave the conference) are unenforceable as they are excessive and do not accurately reflect the damages the conference would incur if a member school left. If found to be unenforceable, a court would not adjust the penalty amount, instead the penalties would be nullified completely.

The ACC is in breach contract to protect and improve their member's financial interests. The following highlights were made:

The ACC has failed to appropriately give FSU the value of their atheletic program media rights and has since further diluted that value with the addition of 3 additional members

The ACC amended the 2016 Tier 1 media agreement without the approval of 2/3rds of the conference's Athletic Directors as required by ACC bylaws

The ACC leadership without AD approval extended the unilateral ESPN 9-year option for Tier 1 media rights from 2016 without any financial considerations, allowing ESPN to wait to execute an extension of media rights until 2025 when it should have occurred as agreed upon in 2024.

The ACC agreed to a previously unheard of 20-year period of media rights for its conference members

The ACC breached it's fiduciary duties the conference has to its members

A generic Fundamental Failure of Frustration of Contractual Purpose. As explained by the lawyer, the whole purpose of the ACC is to look out for its member's interests and maximize value for them and it has failed to do so.

Last count is Violation of Public Policy. As explained, it is not consistent with public policy to impose the penalties and contracts that the conference has on the school.

Noteworthy Comments

It was stressed numerous times that this is not a reaction to FSU being left out of the "CFP Invitational" (as said by FSU's President) and that this process has been in play for over a year and a half.

FSU's leadership made it clear this was a failure of "Prior ACC leadership"

This meeting confirmed numerous times that the Grant of Rights and other ACC Binding Contracts are under protection at the ACC League Offices and that no photos or verbatim copies are allowed to be made

As for Argument 2 of unenforceable penalties, ESPN's contract with the ACC says that payouts will not change so long as the conference has 15 or more members. With the recent addition of 3 members, were FSU to leave then ESPN's payouts per the contract would remain the same as the conference continues to have more than 15 members. Therefore, the penalties laid out by the conference are excessive.

An FSU BoT member who is a trial lawyer coyly pointed out that internet copies of the Grant of Rights may or may not be correct and since lawyers are unable to compare them that they can not be used in trial. Therefore, if this was taken to court a "true, accurate, and correct copy of the document that would have original signatures on it, preferably in blue ink so that you know they are original." This seems to imply that part of FSU's play is to get the Grant of Rights publicly available and out of the ACC's closed off protection.

The FSU Board of Trustee's approved the lawsuit against the ACC which would be filed later today and start the legal process following Christmas. The law firm hired by FSU feels its reasonable to believe other schools would "join in the conversation" with the ACC regarding these claims made.

This is considered an "ACC vs FSU" lawsuit. It passed unanimously without any objection from any BoT member.
This post was edited on 12/22/23 at 11:09 am
Posted by Jack Daniel
In the bottle
Member since Feb 2013
25492 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:10 am to
Big 10 makes more sense. Gives them a footprint in the southeast where the athletes are and no advantage to SEC adding another school in Florida and South Carolina.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37123 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:12 am to
So this is like the state immunity deal that Texas Tech used to get out of paying the buyout for the Pirate?

quote:

The ACC's Agreements and extensions of the agreements are in violation of the State of Florida's Anti-Trust laws.
Posted by Boodis Man
Member since Sep 2020
4557 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:14 am to
quote:

Adding Duke and UNC….the SEC would now have Duke, UNC and Kentucky in the same conference. While also adding Texas who has good years. Tennessee who has good runs. Let’s just be a big three sports power house.



nobody gives a f*** about college basketball baw...except a weekend or 2 of it.

these type of decisions are driven by $$$ and these basketball schools UVA, Duke etc need to bugger off. they don't bring anything to football which is the sport that matters money wise
Posted by BZ504
Texas
Member since Oct 2005
9479 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:15 am to
Football needs to go its own separate ways. Vandy doesn’t belong with the big boys.
Posted by Boodis Man
Member since Sep 2020
4557 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:19 am to
quote:

Football needs to go its own separate ways. Vandy doesn’t belong with the big boys.



and neither does duke, UVa, NC State or any other basketball school people on here keep fapping about
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36119 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:26 am to
I'm against adding FSU until someone specifically maps out in detail how the scheduling would work.

We can't even agree to schedules with 16 teams. And the networks aren't lining up to pay more money for the extra teams. There's no obvious upside
Posted by Buckeye Backer
Columbus, Ohio
Member since Aug 2009
9247 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:28 am to
I’ve been saying this forever. Florida St, North Carolina, Duke, Virginia and Miami are all going to the B1G. It’s about Money and exposure and NOBODY has more of that than the B1G moving forward. These schools are NOT joining the SEC to take LESS money than joining the B1G would pay them. It’s simple economics.

B1G East:

Penn St
Maryland
Rutgers
Florida State
North Carolina
Duke
Miami
Virginia

B1G Central:

Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Indiana
Purdue
Illinois
Northwestern

B1G West:

USC
UCLA
Washington
Oregon
Nebraska
Wisconsin
Iowa
Minnesota

7 yr 10 BILLION dollar deal. CBS, FOX, NBC and BTN. That is going to happen. It’s fiscally irresponsible not to.
Posted by WaterLink
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
17274 posts
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:33 am to
quote:

They will likely win too.


Based on what exactly?

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