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re: Colorado and Deion: You know it's bad when you've lost Joel Klatt
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:00 am to The Egg
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:00 am to The Egg
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His rationale was the same as the Colorado State game, he'll stay aggressive and believes he has the better QB to score first.
It's almost as if he thinks he's playing under NFL rules where a field goal gives the ball back to the other team and a touchdown automatically wins the game. Absolutely baffling.
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Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:03 am to lsupride87
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Choosing to go first in OT is the biggest dumbass no logic shite ever. Did he touch on that?
This is worse than anything Les Miles ever did, and Deion is still trying to rationalize it.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:09 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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"Game management issues. There were several. If you're up 29 to nothing, the second half of that game has to look different, because the goal is not to win 63-0. It's just to win. If it happens to be 63-0, fine, but the goal can't be to win 63-0. The goal is to win the game."
It's daddy ball at the college level. If you shift to manage the clock his son can't keep up in the Heisman race.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:12 am to MJackson
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passing 5th grade math
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:12 am to Bjorn Cyborg
The luster has finally worn off. Hey props to him though. He had Colorado media relevant just one year off a 1 win campaign by the previous coach. Everyone wanted to broadcast a Buffaloes game. But, now they are exposed for what they really are: an undisciplined mish-mash of players with a coach hell bent on propping his QB son up.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:15 am to iBack8569
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Hey props to him though
Sure, if your goal is to be a 6-week media darling.
At this rate, his career will burn out quicker than Ed Orgeron, with MUCH less success.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:46 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:48 am to Bjorn Cyborg
I agree on Travis Hunter.
Clown Luginbill had the preseason faceplant on Colorado's roster talent that proves he should find a different line of work. Then the clown later modified his statements with hypotheticals about some their players going down, and he used Hunter as an example.
Then that actually happened...
And Cormani McClain and Omarion Miller stepped in and played great. Michael Harrison also played more of a role in the offense.
So why do they not play much as soon as Hunter comes back? They could at least rotate in and give Hunter a break at times.
I disagree on playing slowball clock management. You've got to have the offensive line, and at least some semblance of defense to do that. Colorado did not have those necessary components. Above all, you've got to play to your strengths, and that's Shedeur and the passing game.
I actually think conservative slowball took away the chance to win on the final drive on offense. And similarly, playing too slow and running too much ran out the clock on a chance to win vs. USC on the last TD drive.
If you have a good offensive line, okay, playing clock can work as a strategy to conserve a lead. But I disagree with Klatt on this. Colorado doesn't have the OL for it.
All this said, it doesn't mean Colorado lost Klatt at all. He's an analyst, and he had some opinions and critiques. I think it really just shows the opposite of your title, and that he wants to see some improvements.
Clown Luginbill had the preseason faceplant on Colorado's roster talent that proves he should find a different line of work. Then the clown later modified his statements with hypotheticals about some their players going down, and he used Hunter as an example.
Then that actually happened...
And Cormani McClain and Omarion Miller stepped in and played great. Michael Harrison also played more of a role in the offense.
So why do they not play much as soon as Hunter comes back? They could at least rotate in and give Hunter a break at times.
I disagree on playing slowball clock management. You've got to have the offensive line, and at least some semblance of defense to do that. Colorado did not have those necessary components. Above all, you've got to play to your strengths, and that's Shedeur and the passing game.
I actually think conservative slowball took away the chance to win on the final drive on offense. And similarly, playing too slow and running too much ran out the clock on a chance to win vs. USC on the last TD drive.
If you have a good offensive line, okay, playing clock can work as a strategy to conserve a lead. But I disagree with Klatt on this. Colorado doesn't have the OL for it.
All this said, it doesn't mean Colorado lost Klatt at all. He's an analyst, and he had some opinions and critiques. I think it really just shows the opposite of your title, and that he wants to see some improvements.
This post was edited on 10/17/23 at 10:53 am
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:54 am to Bjorn Cyborg
I have been a supportive of Deion and what happened the other night was indefensible.
The problem again is that a lot of people for reasons unconnected with sports got ahead of their skis with this.
The problem again is that a lot of people for reasons unconnected with sports got ahead of their skis with this.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 11:00 am to inadaze
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Clown Luginbill had the preseason faceplant on Colorado's roster talent that proves he should find a different line of work. Then the clown later modified his statements with hypotheticals about some their players going down, and he used Hunter as an example.
What do you mean by this? Please explain.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 11:04 am to WG_Dawg
quote:what’s your opinion on Bear Bryant?
I still have a mild chuckle when I see grown men that have paid jobs in the media refer to him in that way. He's not a transformer. His name is Deion Sanders. Coach Sanders. Step 1 to having the first shred of credibility in the profession would probably be to stop calling yourself a nickname like you're a little kid playing make believe.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 11:04 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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He goes on further and is extremely critical of their usage of Travis Hunter, coming off injury and played 157 snaps. Klatt points out that Hunter was so tired in the second half that Stanford abused him and basically won the game going at him.
This is absolutely crazy considering Pete Thamel reported last week that Hunter's snap count would be monitored, and that Deion didn't want him to be a "liability".
So either that was a lie, or more proof of woeful game management.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 11:16 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Colorado's offensive line is absolutely terrible. They can't slow it down to run the clock down. If they tried this, they would just get a bunch of quick 3 and outs. I see no problem with them still being aggressive in the passing game. Shedeur is a really good qb. His main issue is he takes way too many sacks. He is the most sacked qb in college football right now. He has to learn to avoid these sacks.
Lastly, as others have stated, they have to start limiting Travis' snaps. Deion has to make a decision, is his primary position at WR or CB. He can play every down on one side of the ball, then he only plays in certain packages/situations on the other side.
Lastly, as others have stated, they have to start limiting Travis' snaps. Deion has to make a decision, is his primary position at WR or CB. He can play every down on one side of the ball, then he only plays in certain packages/situations on the other side.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 11:18 am to InkStainedWretch
The O/U win total for the season was 3.5, so they've already surpassed expectations.
A young, burgeoning program losing a game like that is not the end of the world.
Sometimes teams/programs have to learn how to win in different ways. How to maintain focus and dominate. This is a case in point for Saban's process.
LSU gave up a 21-0 halftime lead and lost to Tennessee in 2005. Then went on to have several good seasons and win a BCS Championship.
A young, burgeoning program losing a game like that is not the end of the world.
Sometimes teams/programs have to learn how to win in different ways. How to maintain focus and dominate. This is a case in point for Saban's process.
LSU gave up a 21-0 halftime lead and lost to Tennessee in 2005. Then went on to have several good seasons and win a BCS Championship.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 11:29 am to InkStainedWretch
quote:Can you list those reason please? Then compare that to the people who got ahead of their skis with their Colorado hype in September and what their reasons were for doing so. Thanks
The problem again is that a lot of people for reasons unconnected with sports got ahead of their skis with this.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 11:30 am to inadaze
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I disagree on playing slowball clock management. You've got to have the offensive line, and at least some semblance of defense to do that.
Disagree. Yes, Colorado has been one of the worst rushing teams in the country this year, but Stanford was ranked 113 in total defense going into the game, and CU was averaging over 8 yards per carry in the 1st half. Not to mention, I think Stanford was averaging 16 ppg this season.
You have to at least try to work the play clock down before you snap it, especially when your best player is playing both ways, and is visibly gassed. "Playing to their strengths" allowed Stanford more offensive plays, and exposed Hunter.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 11:37 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Sure, if your goal is to be a 6-week media darling.
It depends on just how committed he is to the long-term. If you looked at their schedule, you knew this was inevitable. Him milking that 6 weeks got buy-in from the community, the university, and likely alumni that will be called upon to donate for facility upgrades and NIL for recruiting.
And they could not win another game, but he is damn sure going to be able to recruit better after all that attention, and recruiting is the name of the game. College head coaches are salesmen. You know Saban loathes that part of it, but he’s still been rocking that ugly arse blue jacket and making duck commercials for over a decade now, way before Deion joined him. And that’s why he’s been on every BCS or CFBP show every year that Bama doesn’t make it. He is selling Alabama football 24/7. That’s a huge part of the gig.
But Deion can’t sell championships or NFL 1st round pick developments, or Heisman Trophy winners yet, so all he can currently sell is himself. And if he hadn’t taken advantage of the opportunity the media has given him so far, it would have been malpractice. What will be interesting to see moving forward is just how much he can leverage the attention from this season into recruiting, specifically from the portal. I think his son will come back for another year, Hunter and other skill guys will be back, if they can add some experienced beef to both lines and become more physical, with them moving to the Big 12 next year and with OU and Texas leaving, they could content for the title if he kills it in the portal.
This post was edited on 10/17/23 at 11:38 am
Posted on 10/17/23 at 11:37 am to Hot Carl
And I know their ‘24 high school recruiting class isn’t rated that high, but high school recruiting is a multi-year process. His ‘25 and ‘26 classes will be more indicative of his long-term success or failure. Especially since he should have his son and Hunter as ‘25 1st round NFL picks to point to as being developed by him.)
But it all comes back to just how committed Deion is to this long-term. If he’s willing to be patient and build something in Boulder that will last, willing to learn from his game management mistakes, etc…I think he can be successful, depending on how that’s defined. Personally, I think he’s gonna have a hard time with the grind when the spotlight isn’t on him. I’m not sure he can sit still long enough. He’ll either bounce to another HC job every few years or to a new endeavor altogether. I’m not convinced he’s committed to being a coach at all long-term, even though he may not even know it yet himself. I guess we’ll see.
But it all comes back to just how committed Deion is to this long-term. If he’s willing to be patient and build something in Boulder that will last, willing to learn from his game management mistakes, etc…I think he can be successful, depending on how that’s defined. Personally, I think he’s gonna have a hard time with the grind when the spotlight isn’t on him. I’m not sure he can sit still long enough. He’ll either bounce to another HC job every few years or to a new endeavor altogether. I’m not convinced he’s committed to being a coach at all long-term, even though he may not even know it yet himself. I guess we’ll see.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 11:42 am to The Egg
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His rationale was the same as the Colorado State game, he'll stay aggressive and believes he has the better QB to score first.
It doesn't matter if you score first, there is no advantage to going first. The only one I could think of in that situation would have been to give the D a little more rest since they got run ragged but no it was to be "aggressive".
Being aggressive seems to be the default response when you want to do something but have very little reasoning behind it.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 11:44 am to WG_Dawg
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His name is Deion Sanders.
Are you against all nicknames or just with Deion?
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