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re: Are the people who think Lebron couldn't play against the Bad Boys watching tonight?

Posted on 5/18/17 at 12:55 am to
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
A man more eviler than Skeletor.
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 12:55 am to
quote:

Jordan 20-7
Hakeem 10-9
Shaq 18-9
Kobe 25-10
Duncan 18-10
Lebron 9-6



this is a really dumb stat. so a series win doesn't count if the team didn't win 50 games? that's pretty arbitrary.

additionally i'd add that a series LOSS means that the season is over. finito. so what that actually means is that there are TEN years that kobe and duncan didn't win the title. NINE that hakeem didn't. and SEVEN that jordan didn't.

so...
um...
what are you trying to say?

Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
23367 posts
Posted on 5/18/17 at 1:02 am to
Lebron has made 54/65 fts his last 5 games. Thats over 80%.

Also Lebron is bigger than basically anyone on that Piston's team when you consider height and weight. He could easily translate and dominate in that era. He constantly gets beat up on all the time as it is.
Posted by LooseCannon22282
Mobile, AL.
Member since May 2008
35392 posts
Posted on 5/18/17 at 1:22 am to
i think one of the more interesting things about the NBA back then was the competition.

i'm not talking about athletically.

but just the pure hatred for losing.

the Celtics walking off the floor when the Pistons beat them .

the Pistons walking off when the Bulls overtook them.

nowadays LeBron is a dominant player no doubt.. maybe the best ever.. whatever.

but there just isn't a big time rivalry to look forward to in the East right now. Not holding that against him or the Cavs but at least the Knicks-Bulls were semi entertaining in the early 90's. If the Cavs run like shite through a goose against the Celtics.. hmmm.. wish there was more to it than that. I'll actually pull for the Cavs if they play the Warriors in the Finals. I thought it was awesome what happened last year and would love to see a repeat.

just hoping for more suspense in the Conference Finals is I'm saying here

This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 1:25 am
Posted by Statsattack
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Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 5:15 am to
Sheed Wallace was on that pistons team not sure if he is hof worthy.
Posted by ohiovol
Member since Jan 2010
20991 posts
Posted on 5/18/17 at 5:22 am to
quote:

Are the people who think Lebron couldn't play against the Bad Boys watching tonight?
Playoff Series Record vs 50-win playoff teams
Jordan 20-7
Hakeem 10-9
Shaq 18-9
Kobe 25-10
Duncan 18-10
Lebron 9-6




Least losses of all of them.

GOAT
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
24943 posts
Posted on 5/18/17 at 6:16 am to
Where do these stats even come from haha. It's not a bad one but it is totally random
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134141 posts
Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:27 am to
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Y'all act like back in the 80's players could get away with murder and no foul was called. That's just not true.


This. Kind if sick of the nostalgic preening.

Athletes and players are bigger/faster/stronger/better today than 20/30/40 years ago. Period. LeBron would dominate the frick out of anyone from a previous era.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
83113 posts
Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:29 am to
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Y'all act like back in the 80's players could get away with murder and no foul was called. That's just not true.
lol didn't you know? 80's NBA was a glorified street fight parading itself as a team sport.
Posted by ForkEmDemons
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since May 2014
2235 posts
Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:48 am to
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Its funny when people talk about the big bad 80s ans 90s teama. The players then where nowhere near as athetic as they are now. Lebron wouod shite all over those teams. The nba back the were boys compared to the men that play it now


Those same players in the 80's and 90's would be much bigger/more athletic if they had the same advances in training and nutrition that the players have now.

quote:

Athletes and players are bigger/faster/stronger/better today than 20/30/40 years ago. Period. LeBron would dominate the frick out of anyone from a previous era.


Likewise, the players now would be much smaller if they didn't have access to those same advances.

Those factors (training, nutrition, technology) have to be taken into consideration.

Lebron would be a great player no matter when he played, he is an amazing talent. But to say he would easily dominate any era isn't true. No way to accurately compare.

Bad Boy Pistons were a lot better than many people give them credit for. Aside from the hard fouls and "dirty" play they were still a tremendous team.

Laimbeer is known for his "dirty" play. However, aside from that he was a well-rounded player.
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 8:05 am
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66298 posts
Posted on 5/18/17 at 7:49 am to
The funny thing is, I think scoring averages were way up at that time, despite the rough play and supposedly tough defenses. Riley's TPOS Knicks and early Miami squads were a lot uglier basketball IMO.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
32130 posts
Posted on 5/18/17 at 8:05 am to
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Also Lebron is bigger than basically anyone on that Piston's team when you consider height and weight. He could easily translate and dominate in that era. He constantly gets beat up on all the time as it is.


Not to mention, illegal defense was a thing back then.

James is unstoppable now when you can double and triple team him. Imagine him back in the 80's/90's when you couldn't do that
Posted by cubsfan5150
NWA
Member since Nov 2007
17784 posts
Posted on 5/18/17 at 8:09 am to
There were other ways that made it tougher back then too...

Things have changed, but have essentially stayed the same.

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This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 8:14 am
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91300 posts
Posted on 5/18/17 at 8:15 am to
The pace was higher then as well.

There is no doubt the 87-91 Pistons would have been a tough defense for LeBron. Alternatively, they'd have to pick their poison against this Cleveland team and their perimeter shooters. LeBron has shown that he'll almost always make the best basketball play. You take away the lane and he'll find Kyrie, Love, Korner, JR, Frye, etc.
Posted by 504Voodoo
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2012
13762 posts
Posted on 5/18/17 at 8:20 am to
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Lambier wouldn't shut him down...and would know he couldn't - so he'd just do cheap old 80's brawling shite and cold-cock LeBron and LeBron's safety pin would fall off...and he'd be looking and looking for it on the court...and wouldn't understand how it was just a foul as Lambier lands on him with his shoe to face.

(Lambier and Bird fought with multiple punches thrown and delivered on face and head like a hockey fight and only a personal foul was called on both...like it was slapping a hand on a layup.)



LeBron don't play that game.


And LeBron grew up playing a game where that recklessness is no longer tolerated. If LeBron played during that era, assuming he would have the same physical attributes, he would be accustomed to that style and would punish his opposition. LeBron greatness transcends any and all eras of basketball. He would not be stopped by some guys that just wanted to bully him around because they were inferior athletically.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112622 posts
Posted on 5/18/17 at 8:55 am to
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but just the pure hatred for losing.
There are some pretty solid rivalries nowadays.

I think people confuse all the fighting from back in the day and think players today don't care much or they're soft, when those people just don't understand the difference in the rules/punishments for those things back then compared to nowadays.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40158 posts
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:32 am to
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The pace was higher then as well.

There is no doubt the 87-91 Pistons would have been a tough defense for LeBron. Alternatively, they'd have to pick their poison against this Cleveland team and their perimeter shooters. LeBron has shown that he'll almost always make the best basketball play. You take away the lane and he'll find Kyrie, Love, Korner, JR, Frye, etc.


Yea.

Having a great physical presence in the paint only helps so much when facing a team with 3-4 guys on the floor at all times who can shoot from behind the arc. Oh and they have solid interior defenders as well.

This era's great teams would beat most other great teams from previous eras. The great teams today play much better defense and they are much more efficient offensively.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
5335 posts
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:34 am to
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Not to mention, illegal defense was a thing back then. James is unstoppable now when you can double and triple team him. Imagine him back in the 80's/90's when you couldn't do that


This isn't brought up enough. The Mavs would not have had a chance against that Heat team if they couldn't play zone.
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
34684 posts
Posted on 5/18/17 at 11:48 am to
Funny enough, Isiah Thomas has said that the NBA drastically changed their rules to favor perimeter players. It's similar to how the NFL put all of these rules in place to help the QB and the passing game. LINK
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112622 posts
Posted on 5/18/17 at 11:52 am to
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Funny enough, Isiah Thomas has said that the NBA drastically changed their rules to favor perimeter players.
Revisionist history from Thomas.

LINK
Posted by Winston Cup
Dallas Cowboys Fan
Member since May 2016
66693 posts
Posted on 5/18/17 at 11:54 am to
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Where do these stats even come from haha.

from arguing with people offline. lebron is great, but i like to stir the pot
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