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re: 680 million of Ohtani’s 700 mill contract is deferred until it’s over.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:15 pm to onmymedicalgrind
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:15 pm to onmymedicalgrind
So noted but it ought to be pretty evident by now that this guy marches to his own drummer which may not be the one making the prevailing drumbeat here …
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:23 pm to InkStainedWretch
You really think Ohtani cares whether he makes $42 million or $110 million next year?
The dude sleeps most of the time he isn't practicing haha.
He's making more than anyone else in baseballs contract on endorsements alone. He could get paid 0 and be fine.
He wants to get himself an easy ring like Durant going to Golden State to make sure he has a legacy of winning championships. That's all he cares about. Im not sure the dodgers are the best option right now but they will keep paying to win. The Rangers have a younger lineup but owe a lot of money to older pitchers.
The dude sleeps most of the time he isn't practicing haha.
He's making more than anyone else in baseballs contract on endorsements alone. He could get paid 0 and be fine.
He wants to get himself an easy ring like Durant going to Golden State to make sure he has a legacy of winning championships. That's all he cares about. Im not sure the dodgers are the best option right now but they will keep paying to win. The Rangers have a younger lineup but owe a lot of money to older pitchers.
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:29 pm to RB10
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Leave the bulk of the contract to be paid later, after retirement. Make a “small” amount now, while also raking in millions in endorsement deals during his prime. Smart
Wtf? Did you pass Econ 101? Look we all know Ohtani (and his great great grandkids) will be fine but deferring $600 million to be paid years from now is almost never going to be “smart” from a purely economic standpoint (whether it’s smart from a competitive standpoint is another question and it probably is so frick the Dodgers for pulling that off). But back to Ohtani’s finances, never underestimate the time value of money. Also, not really a risk in the case of a MLB franchise paying up, but also never underestimate the value of cash in tbe bank over promissory notes.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:38 pm to onmymedicalgrind
He makes an incredible amount of money outside of his baseball contract, I seriously doubt he's making these decisions without the assistance of some reputable business minds. He can certainly afford them.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:39 pm to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
Ohtani and Hideki Matsuyama are gods in Japan.
He’s easily getting $40M+ in endorsements in Japan.
He’s easily getting $40M+ in endorsements in Japan.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:44 pm to elposter
I’ve read it’s basically a 10 year 460 million dollar contract, where he is loaning them back 44 million each year and then they pay him 68 million in ten years (roughly 4% interest rate).
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:46 pm to CFDoc
And Ohtani will be making that in Japan until the day he dies. He will be a hero there basically forever.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:00 pm to Fun Bunch
Stupid. I can understand the security of deferring some, but that’s a crap ton of money, get at least half of it now and do some investing or something.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:12 pm to wareaglepete
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Stupid. I can understand the security of deferring some, but that’s a crap ton of money, get at least half of it now and do some investing or something.
if he got half now the contract would be $460 million instead of $700 million.
you act like he doesn't already have 100s of millions of dollars.
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I’ve read it’s basically a 10 year 460 million dollar contract, where he is loaning them back 44 million each year and then they pay him 68 million in ten years (roughly 4% interest rate).
this
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:23 pm to hiltacular
quote:He was never going to get $700 mil without deferring, so I'm not seeing the advantage for the Dodgers or disadvantage for him.
Well let’s say he makes $70 next year, 10% gains ultra ultra conservative, 77, now do that over 10 years and yeah he is leaving so much money on the table.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:24 pm to wareaglepete
Dude the guy wants a ring, right now, not more short term cash. He’s freeing up money for the Dodgers to make the moves right now to help him get one.
I don’t know why this is going over people’s heads. Any other time we’d be praising someone who didn’t make it all about the money.
I don’t know why this is going over people’s heads. Any other time we’d be praising someone who didn’t make it all about the money.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:24 pm to elposter
quote:Again, he wasn't going to get 10 years/$700 mil and be paid "normally"
But back to Ohtani’s finances, never underestimate the time value of money.
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:26 pm to The Pirate King
quote:significantly less than what?
Unless they're sticking the 68 million in an account that pulls high interest, he's going to have significantly less money when he cashes in on that contract just with inflation alone.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:26 pm to Faulk2Tyler
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Apparently if he isn't living in California at the end of his deal he won't have to pay taxes on the 68 million
I heard this is going to SCOTUS
Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:30 pm to elposter
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Wtf? Did you pass Econ 101?
I understand economics just fine. What I also understand is that he’s deferring the money because he wants to win a few rings. Meanwhile, he will make between $50 million and $75 million PER YEAR on endorsements alone for the next 7 to 10 years, and that’s lowballing. Then, when the endorsement money starts to dwindle, he’s going to get the money from his contract and continue to cash checks after he retires.
Again, pretty smart move.
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:31 pm to CFDoc
Dude made at least $35M in endorsements last season. He gets a couple world series under his belt (seems to be his goal with the contract), he may be a billionaire well before the deferments end.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:39 pm to Fun Bunch
This is pretty crazy to be allowed. Cool of Shohei to come up with the idea, but bad business.
This should be illegal for two reasons, one as stated just an unfair advantage to pay people into infinity after they’ve retired. There’s not even a good faith negotiation here where it had to be extended etc. it’s a $70m/year deal only paying $2m/year.
And two to save dumb people from themselves. I get that Ohtani makes a ton of money from endorsements so he doesn’t need the $70/year. But the opportunity cost he’s giving up here is more than fiscally irresponsible (in terms of personal wealth) it’s downright idiotic. The compounding interest of $70m/year he’s losing out on, even at a 7% return would have made him a over a billionaire by the time the 10 year deal was over. And he wouldn’t be investing in 7% crap, with his money he’d be directly investing in franchises and businesses etc.
this is why others have said alternatively the dodgers can invest his salary for 10 years and then when they go to pay him it’s essentially free. They’ll pay him essentially the interest and keep the principle. That’s why it should be illegal. It’s shady from a competitive standpoint, and downright reckless from a player standpoint. Again, I know he makes enough money it shouldn’t affect him but that doesn’t make it right.
Like others have pointed out too, another term or two of democrats and his money could literally be worth a tiny fraction of what it should have been. It’s time invested that counts, and he’s giving up 10 years of that. Pretty crazy.
A guy of his stature too, again not hurting for money, but he’s not going to be able to live in LA in a house under $10m. That’s conservative too for this market. Guy gonna be asking players for loans paying off his $20m house only making $2m/year
This should be illegal for two reasons, one as stated just an unfair advantage to pay people into infinity after they’ve retired. There’s not even a good faith negotiation here where it had to be extended etc. it’s a $70m/year deal only paying $2m/year.
And two to save dumb people from themselves. I get that Ohtani makes a ton of money from endorsements so he doesn’t need the $70/year. But the opportunity cost he’s giving up here is more than fiscally irresponsible (in terms of personal wealth) it’s downright idiotic. The compounding interest of $70m/year he’s losing out on, even at a 7% return would have made him a over a billionaire by the time the 10 year deal was over. And he wouldn’t be investing in 7% crap, with his money he’d be directly investing in franchises and businesses etc.
this is why others have said alternatively the dodgers can invest his salary for 10 years and then when they go to pay him it’s essentially free. They’ll pay him essentially the interest and keep the principle. That’s why it should be illegal. It’s shady from a competitive standpoint, and downright reckless from a player standpoint. Again, I know he makes enough money it shouldn’t affect him but that doesn’t make it right.
Like others have pointed out too, another term or two of democrats and his money could literally be worth a tiny fraction of what it should have been. It’s time invested that counts, and he’s giving up 10 years of that. Pretty crazy.
A guy of his stature too, again not hurting for money, but he’s not going to be able to live in LA in a house under $10m. That’s conservative too for this market. Guy gonna be asking players for loans paying off his $20m house only making $2m/year
Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:44 pm to Zzyzx
quote:the dodgers are not only paying 2mm a year
only paying $2m/year.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:46 pm to phunkatron
He would have made over a billion just investing his salary in something stupidly simple like a total stock index fund by the time his deal was up if they paid him fairly and in accordance to his deal.
So “may be a billionaire before the deferments end” would actually mean he lost money.
Which he will, 100% without a doubt. He’ll never be able to make up that 10 year period he’s giving up in compounding interest on investments.
He lost hundreds of millions of dollars by agreeing (or proposing) this deal. Like I said in my post above, even a middle of the road safe investment with a 7% return would have made him worth over $1.1 billion by the time 10 years was up. So he’s losing out on at least $400million by taking this deal.
Which is why it’s reckless for the MLB to have allowed it
So “may be a billionaire before the deferments end” would actually mean he lost money.
Which he will, 100% without a doubt. He’ll never be able to make up that 10 year period he’s giving up in compounding interest on investments.
He lost hundreds of millions of dollars by agreeing (or proposing) this deal. Like I said in my post above, even a middle of the road safe investment with a 7% return would have made him worth over $1.1 billion by the time 10 years was up. So he’s losing out on at least $400million by taking this deal.
Which is why it’s reckless for the MLB to have allowed it
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:47 pm to Zzyzx
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A guy of his stature too, again not hurting for money, but he’s not going to be able to live in LA in a house under $10m. That’s conservative too for this market. Guy gonna be asking players for loans paying off his $20m house only making $2m/year
He will be making more money per year in endorsements than the contract would have paid.
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