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re: Warren Buffet on tariffs

Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:00 pm to
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:00 pm to
I didn’t comment on Buffet’s investing prowess. My opinion is directed toward his political involvement. He was a huge BHO supporter. He did it to advance his financial interests. It worked. His decision was horrible for this nation. Probably bad for the world, too…but beneficial for him.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
3110 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:10 pm to
Buffet has been an outspoken critic of bitcoin and continues to do so.

He’s right about a lot of things but he’s wrong about that.

Buffet made his fortune off of his understanding of how the current world economy functions as it pertains to the United States dollar. Anything he says needs to be viewed through that lens.
Posted by faraway
Member since Nov 2022
3233 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 11:44 pm to
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Warren Buffett on tariffs is right.

he might be right for his own interests but he's absolutely wrong regarding the interests of America and common decency. if you see it any other way, you are simply an ignorant biased dupe.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
31802 posts
Posted on 5/4/25 at 4:15 am to
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I liked Charlie not Warren.

I preferred Jimmy
Posted by Hand
far side of the moon
Member since Dec 2007
2081 posts
Posted on 5/4/25 at 9:01 pm to
It's funny how he had the opposite opinion and even wrote about it in Forbes in 2003. Heck, if you search for it, the article is hosted on the Berkshire website. I'm guessing he changed his mind circa 2016 even though all of the tariffs enacted then were kept by the subsequent administration.
Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
47265 posts
Posted on 5/4/25 at 9:05 pm to
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It's funny how he had the opposite opinion and even wrote about it in Forbes in 2003. Heck, if you search for it, the article is hosted on the Berkshire website.


Just looked it up and he was actually championing import certificates instead of tariffs

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In his op-ed, Buffett proposed “import certificates” (ICs) as a way to balance trade instead of using tariffs. During Berkshire Hathaway’s annual meeting, Buffett was asked if he believed import certificates were distinct from tariffs. “It’s gimmicky, but it’s certainly a lot better than anything I think we’re talking about now,” Buffett replied. “And there’s no question that trade can be an act of war, and I think it’s led to bad things, just the attitude it’s brought out.” Import certificates are essentially credits that would be issued to exporters “in the amount equal to the dollar value of their exports,” Buffett wrote in the op-ed. Those exporters then would be able to sell their certificates to either exporters internationally or domestic importers. “To import $1 million of goods, for example, an importer would need ICs that were the byproduct of $1 million of exports,” Buffett wrote. “The inevitable result: trade balance.”


These are more similar to the EV credits that we see today. Been very lucrative for American businesses such as Tesla, who use them as a primary means to make money.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
22418 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 7:02 am to
Once again, the bullshite hidden behind the curtain is that the USA isn’t doing anything that’s not already being done back to the USA by everyone else. The USA is simply leveling the playing field, and everyone bitches.

You know why everyone is bitching and not just taking their business elsewhere? Because they have to do business with the USA.
Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
47265 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 7:11 am to
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Once again, the bullshite hidden behind the curtain is that the USA isn’t doing anything that’s not already being done back to the USA by everyone else.


I agree 100% that this has been done before, the only difference this time is the open air discussions and talking to the media as if its some game where we have to win against other countries. It makes much more adversary, and it is not great for actually getting deals done. This should be a win/win for countries involved.

Plus the mental gymnastics when some tried to defend the initial trade imbalance tariffs which were clearly absurd. Trying to say it would bring back manufacturing and that they would not come down

At least at this point everyone is just waiting on deals, mostly from China
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
20066 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 8:08 am to
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Buffett considered the most patient investor of our time. Emotions not really part of the equation


It was his words, not mine. Clearly he is pushing emotional stances with his statements over factual statements.
Posted by Dead Mike
Cell Block 4
Member since Mar 2010
3745 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 11:18 am to
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In buying companies and/or stocks, yes. Now ask him if he would invest in a company or run a company with the balance sheet of the US Federal Government. Yeah, we all know the answer.


He might seriously consider investing in a company that can print its own money, levy taxes, field the largest and most competent military force in the world, and own vast swaths of public land.

The idea that the federal government is analogous to a business or a household, and should be administered like a business or a household, is one of the more damaging and enduring myths in our political discourse.
Posted by Hitman67
Lumberton, TX
Member since Jul 2024
176 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 2:19 pm to
It was almost like he wanted to shock people for a reason. I think people will be shock again in the future when all these trade deals are done. We will see...
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
70144 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 3:18 pm to
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I have hated Buffet for his political involvement for years.
He (and his people) have carefully crafted his persona to be this gentle grandfatherly type. The mainstream press have eaten it up.

In reality he has more in common with Mr. Potter in "It's a Wonderful Life" than he does with Jimmy Stewart's character in the movie.

Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
79061 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 3:56 pm to
Companies held by Berkshire Hathaway have gone under.


What does this guy know other than managing companies into bankruptcy?





Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
824 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 4:49 pm to
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Companies held by Berkshire Hathaway have gone under.


What does this guy know other than managing companies into bankruptcy?


You probably need to show your work.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
13555 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 8:01 am to
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uffet has been an outspoken critic of bitcoin and continues to do so. He’s right about a lot of things but he’s wrong about that.


lol

The greatest investor of our lifetime is wrong about something that has zero usage in yours or any of our lives but you- an internet poster on a sports message board, is right….

Mmmokay.
Posted by burke985
UGANDA
Member since Aug 2011
26898 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 8:04 am to
He speaks for his own interest and gains , he made tons of money off the system how it was of course he don't want it to change. If he's so savvy of an investor he will learn to adjust to America not being the worlds piggybank.
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
3724 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 8:30 am to
Yeah, I don’t get the bitcoin thing. Initially I saw value as an independent, non-traceable, non-regulated currency. Unfortunately, it’s none of these things. There is no intrinsic value, and for that reason I’m out.

Having said that, things are worth what people are willing to pay for them. There are enough people (and now, sovereign nations) that have decided to buy into “number goes up” logic. It’s still nonsense, but it will be successful for some time because of its adoption by the USA and because people want it to be true. That’s powerful, but still not sound.
Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
47265 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 8:35 am to
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sovereign nations


El Salvador and the Central African Republic have already abandoned their bitcoin plans. El Salvador even removed it as legal tender earlier this year.

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adoption by the USA


The BTC reserve is only made up of BTC that was confiscated by law enforcement. Was a pretty clever way to keep the campaign promise without spending any actual tax dollars
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
13555 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 9:32 am to
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Yeah, I don’t get the bitcoin thing. Initially I saw value as an independent, non-traceable, non-regulated currency. Unfortunately, it’s none of these things. There is no intrinsic value, and for that reason I’m out. Having said that, things are worth what people are willing to pay for them.


It’s got value because someone is willing to buy it. They’re buying it not because it’s important in their lives or has some usage in daily life, but because others are buying it. It’s fomo trading.
I admit to having bought it for that exact reason and I made money. It was a trade though and nothing more. I bought it because I saw the ferver surrounding it and realized that this is one of those rare opportunities to get onboard a fomo trade unlike anything I’ve ever seen. The dotcom boom bust was the last ride before that for me and I made money but there was some rocky roads along the way.

Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
13555 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 9:35 am to
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It’s still nonsense, but it will be successful for some time because of its adoption by the USA


Fwiw-It has not been adopted by the USA. As a matter of fact, it’s a threat to the US currency albeit minuscule. The US will never adopt it as it’s currency and will squash it if it ever becomes a substantial threat to the USD.
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