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re: Why isn't Kelly getting more criticism for end of game clock management?
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:07 pm to Tammany Tom
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:07 pm to Tammany Tom
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It’s very legit criticism. Just because we won, doesn’t make how BK managed the clock acceptable.
Every single coach is going to have a clock management gaffe eventually. If it becomes a trend then that's cause for concern. Otherwise people are making a mountain out of a molehill.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:10 pm to 777Tiger
Arky had no to's and we either scored TD or Field Goal or OT. But he did not leave Arky any time. I think it was good end of game management.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:12 pm to tygerphan
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On third down we had no timeouts remaining.
Final sequence of plays:
2:24 left - Diggs runs to the 7 and picks up the first. Kelly lets the clock run down to 1 and calls first timeout.
1:44 left - 1st down at the 7- short run (takes longer than kneeling). Kelly lets the clock run down to 1 and calls 2nd TO. 59 seconds left on the clock.
:59 left. 2nd down at the 4 - short run (takes longer than kneeling). Kelly lets the clock run down to 1 and calls 3rd TO. 11 seconds left.
:11 left - no timeouts left - pass out of EZ. 8 seconds left.
How is that different/worse than kneeling it? What am I missing?
Had he not used the timeouts beforehand he could have kneeled on 3rd down instead of needing to throw a pass to waste a few seconds, had a timeout to use at 3 seconds remaining in the game and the FG would have been the last play of the game and not have to kick back off to Arkansas to have any shot at a hail mary or kick return. That's what you're missing.
The fact that Arkansas was unsuccessful in converting a kick return or hail mary doesn't override the fact that letting them have a chance to attempt one at all was due to poor clock management. We've seen times where teams do convert hail marys when the opponent left clock after a FG (Bluegrass Miracle, Cal/Stanford band play, etc). There's no reason to even allow a chance, as low % as it might be, when you have the choice to give them a 0% chance.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:13 pm to tygerphan
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I don't understand. If you look at the three plays and three timeouts called before the FG, what, specifically, should he have done differently?
We had four downs and called our last timeout before third down.
Sequence starting at 1st down is:
Run Play
2nd Time out to tell JD Run Plays snapped at 2 on PClock, I’ll call the timeout before 4th down kick. Do NOT Score.
Run Play
Run Play
Final TO with 2-4 sec left
FG
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:13 pm to Big4SALTbro
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This shouldn’t be hard at all LSU had the ability to run every second down and we didn’t because of piss poor management
Yeah. Just because it worked out in the end doesn’t mean it was good coaching.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:14 pm to lsuohiofan
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But he did not leave Arky any time.
They got to run a final play. So yes, he did leave them time.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:15 pm to lsuohiofan
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But he did not leave Arky any time
Really??? Who had the ball with a chance to win on the last play
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:15 pm to tigerfoot
Can you do simple math?
Give me 1 reason to hand the ball off twice then throw a pass to burn time when all we had to do was save a TO for after 3rd down and not give them the ball back.
Give me 1 reason to hand the ball off twice then throw a pass to burn time when all we had to do was save a TO for after 3rd down and not give them the ball back.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:24 pm to WaterLink
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We can be happy we won but still admit it was misplayed. We gave Arkansas a shot at a kick return and a hail mary against our defense that had been struggling.
This is correct. It was miscoached, but it wasn’t a big deal. Their chances increased from 0% to 0.1%. Not good coaching but not terribly important when compared to the fabulous coaching and play calling that got us to the seven yard line with complete control of the game.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:26 pm to Lou Pai
This clock thing is way overblown
He’s an analytics guy
Chip shot FG is 95% and you run the clock out
Our defense didn’t warrant trust
He made the right call to win the game
He’s an analytics guy
Chip shot FG is 95% and you run the clock out
Our defense didn’t warrant trust
He made the right call to win the game
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:27 pm to burreauxxx
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He’s an analytics guy
Chip shot FG is 95% and you run the clock out
Our defense didn’t warrant trust
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He made the right call to win the game

Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:29 pm to Penrod
We were 17 point favorites the mismanagement of the time outs and clock were icing on the cake.
Also hard to win titles when you can’t do basic things like clock management
Also hard to win titles when you can’t do basic things like clock management
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:30 pm to Topwater Trout
You asked why call a TO on first.
Can you focus?
Can you focus?
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:31 pm to Lou Pai
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Posted byMessageLou PaiWhy isn't Kelly getting more criticism for end of game clock management? by Lou Paiquote:Because there were several ways to handle that situation.
The way I see it, there was only one acceptable way to handle the situation
What about punching in a td? Go up 7 and make the other team go the length of the field and have to score a td, in under a minute. That’s not terrible. Youre as likely to miss a fg as you are to give up the 80 yard drive.
Or maybe you run some clock and then punch it in on 3rd with timeout and fg option on 4th if needed. (that’s what I would have done) . Like I said, several decent options. Don’t act like Les miles just clocked the ball on 4th down or something that level.
This post was edited on 9/24/23 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:31 pm to Lou Pai
Uhh, because he doesn’t deserve it. We held the ball for the last 5 minutes of the game. Got into FG position, made the field goal, won the game with 5 seconds on the clock. What is there to criticize.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:34 pm to burreauxxx
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He’s an analytics guy
He may think he is, but he clearly isn't, in-game. This situation was plain as day, and it amazes me so many are struggling to grasp it. There are some very slight differences in the way you can go about this (when you choose to take your timeout, how you go about kneeling it, where you place the ball to set your kicker up) but the outcome is clear as can be. We should have been kicking a FG with 1 second left.
This post was edited on 9/24/23 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:38 pm to Lou Pai
Cause Timeouts ain’t no good on Sundays.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:39 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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Or could have tried to kneel and center the kick
To me, this was the play. I was disappointed to not see it, but to say that it was severely misplaced is focusing on a couple worst case scenario type results without also taking the alternative's negative possibilities into account as well.
Every decision has a possible negative outcome. Then it becomes a zero sum game, and you pick the decision that has the lowest probability for a catastrophic outcome.
Kicking off isn't nearly the gamble it used to be since they moved the ball up.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:40 pm to tigerfoot
Ok why call a TO after getting a 1st down then after 1st and 2nd downs? We didn’t need to call one between 1st and 2nd down. Every week there are examples of how to kick a fg with no time left. If you have the ball with 2min left you should never give the other team the ball back
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:41 pm to Lou Pai
quote:Did time left on click; down & distance, allow for us to?
We should have been kicking a FG with 1 second left.
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