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re: Why isn't Kelly getting more criticism for end of game clock management?
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:42 pm to ZenFNmaster
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:42 pm to ZenFNmaster
Have you seen our kick off team?
Also it is a big deal to mostly something that would have given arky a 0 percent chance. It’s little things that build a program that is championship level year in and out.
BK was suppose to bring these things and he hasn’t.
Les and O were able to stack talent but couldn’t handle the finer details that made Saban and Kirby so great.
We were told adults back in charge and BK will do these things and last night he didn’t. We won but the process was bad.
Also it is a big deal to mostly something that would have given arky a 0 percent chance. It’s little things that build a program that is championship level year in and out.
BK was suppose to bring these things and he hasn’t.
Les and O were able to stack talent but couldn’t handle the finer details that made Saban and Kirby so great.
We were told adults back in charge and BK will do these things and last night he didn’t. We won but the process was bad.
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:42 pm to Penrod
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This is correct. It was miscoached, but it wasn’t a big deal. Their chances increased from 0% to 0.1%. Not good coaching but not terribly important
I see it differently. I view this as terribly important. If you have complete control of those odds (near 0%, barring a FG block or fumbled hold, but this doesnt change your decision if you are kicking anyway), you take them. The situation was straightforward enough that fans in the stands were bewildered and frustrated with this as it happened in real time. How does a coach making $10 million a year not handle this correctly?
This post was edited on 9/24/23 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:43 pm to Quatrepot
Yes if we don’t mismanage 2nd down like we did last night. That is the fricking problem, if we did like we should then we could run ever last second off. Instead we botched that and that is the problem.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:44 pm to Lou Pai
Let’s see, LSU takes over with like 5 1/2 minutes to go in the game and 70+ yards away from the Arkansas goal line. They run, pass and catch all the way down the field until like the two and kick the game-winning field goal with four seconds remaining , but some drama queens only want to talk about those 4 seconds rather than 300+ it took to win lol
As Nick Saban eloquently offered, some LSU fans suffer from the catastrophe syndrome.
From my experience here, it doesn’t matter who the coach might be some of our fans are always gonna find a reason to bitch and moan about something
As Nick Saban eloquently offered, some LSU fans suffer from the catastrophe syndrome.
From my experience here, it doesn’t matter who the coach might be some of our fans are always gonna find a reason to bitch and moan about something
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:44 pm to Lou Pai
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How does a coach making $10 million a year not handle this correctly?
Why do people keep mentioning his salary? If he was making $5m a year would you feel better about it?
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:47 pm to Quatrepot
Yes we had a first down with 1:4eft and they couldn’t stop the clock. If we were ahead we would’ve kneeled it 3x and won. Since the plan was to kick a fg we shouldn’t have burned TOs between plays
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:47 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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It was kinda sloppy but not Les miles level clock mismanagement
This. It wasn’t what it should have been. The first timeout was fine if it was to set up the offense for the close. Using the second one when they did was the issue. Save that one and you have one in your back pocket in case something is off at the end and you need to change personnel, save yourself from a delay, etc. Having that 2nd TO would have allowed them to run the ball on 3rd down, take it down to 3-4 seconds and call the last one.
A little blame should also go to Daniels at the end for being a little jumpy and not bleeding the clock a bit before letting the ball fly out the back. As experienced as he is, he could have achieved the same result of us ending the game with a kick there.
It wasn’t the end of the world and it wasn’t the complete disaster some of you really want it to be for your own reasons, but the end should have been handled better.
This issue illustrates the biggest problem with this board- binary thinking. There’s no nuance. No shades of gray. Everything is either a complete disaster or better than it really is/was. In reality, the majority of things are neither, but somewhere in between.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:53 pm to Lonnie4LSU
Nick Saban also says it’s about process not out outcomes. It’s why he was pissed about the blue grass miracle.
No one is upset at the players this is 100 percent on the 65 year old AARP 10m per year coach
No one is upset at the players this is 100 percent on the 65 year old AARP 10m per year coach
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:53 pm to Quatrepot
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We should have been kicking a FG with 1 second left.Did time left on click; down & distance, allow for us to?
Yes if he had managed it correctly
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:53 pm to Lou Pai
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I see it differently. I view this as terribly important. If you have complete control of those odds (near 0%, barring a FG block or fumbled hold, but this doesnt change your decision if you are kicking anyway), you take them. The situation was straightforward enough that fans in the stands who were bewildered and frustrated with this as it happened in real time. How does a coach making $10 million a year not handle this correctly?
Sure. Just as a RB who has cleared the defense and has no one near him but doesn’t score because he trips and falls has failed to do something almost any fan could have done.
An offensive lineman who jumps offsides on first down and goal from the one has made a mistake the average fan could have avoided.
The point is that the playcalling was fantastic; the low number of penalties was fantastic.In the scheme of things, that one trip and fall, that one offsides, and that one small impact clockmismanagement are only a small part of the story.
I remember Jamarr Chase dropping a TD pass that hit him in the hands in the National Title game. How could the Bilitnekov winner not handle THAT correctly?
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:53 pm to Goldrush25
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Why do people keep mentioning his salary? If he was making $5m a year would you feel better about it?
No. The point is that his compensation signals that he is elite and coaching at the height of his profession. And yet he bungles something that an average HS coach should be expected to get right.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:56 pm to Lou Pai
The fatally poor clock management in that game wasn't Kelly's, it was Pittman's. Burning all your timeouts before the band gets back to their seats in what clearly has the potential to be a last possession game was criminal.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:58 pm to TigerLawProf
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The fatally poor clock management in that game wasn't Kelly's, it was Pittman's. Burning all your timeouts before the band gets back to their seats in what clearly has the potential to be a last possession game was criminal
Yeah, the fact that Arkansas burned all their TOs early makes what Kelly did even more perplexing.
Just because Pitman did worse doesn’t absolve BK of his own poor clock management
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:59 pm to Goldrush25
It actually does, with how much we pay BK and his experience it makes what he did worse.
If Dan Lanning did it, it’s bad but at least he is young.
Same way at work if someone that is 3 years in does something stupid it’s usually a teachable moment and you don’t expect someone with 30 years to make the same mistake.
We pay BK elite money, so he gets criticized for everything.
If Dan Lanning did it, it’s bad but at least he is young.
Same way at work if someone that is 3 years in does something stupid it’s usually a teachable moment and you don’t expect someone with 30 years to make the same mistake.
We pay BK elite money, so he gets criticized for everything.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 1:59 pm to Lou Pai
quote:The safest way to play it would be this.
Diggs was tackled on the 7 with 2:24 on the clock.
1st and goal from the 7 with 2:24. 40 second play clock so you line up Daniels under center and kneel it on 1st down with 1 or 2 seconds left on the play clock and the game clock down to 1:45 or 1:46 at the snap.
2nd down snap at 1:06 or 1:07, another kneel, middle of the field.
3rd down snap at 0:27 or 0:28, another kneel.
With 0:02 left on the clock, you call timeout, trot out the field goal unit and kick the winning FG. Clock expires, game over.
No runs to risk a fumble, no time left on the clock to risk a kickoff and Hail Mary pass.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 2:01 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
Yep Pitt boss being a retard doesn’t make what BK did any better.
Pitt boss isn’t looked at as elite and he ain’t paid as elite. You expect dumb shite with a less successful Ed O at the helm.
Pitt boss isn’t looked at as elite and he ain’t paid as elite. You expect dumb shite with a less successful Ed O at the helm.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 2:04 pm to Tiger Phil
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Oh, it's also because people here are the only ones who like to be miserable. So misery seekers on the rant want to make it an issue but normal people can realize we won and it worked, and 999 times out of 1000 it would work out the same as it just did.
Exactly.
The stupidly and pettiness on here is incredible.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 2:06 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
Look, Kelly has a bunch of kids most, if not all, of whom had never faced this situation. Leaving Arky with 5 seconds from their 30 yard line was a reasonable price to pay for using timeouts to, among other things, be sure the kids had their heads in the game to avoid disaster.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 2:10 pm to TigerLawProf
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Look, Kelly has a bunch of kids most, if not all, of whom had never faced this situation. Leaving Arky with 5 seconds from their 30 yard line was a reasonable price to pay for using timeouts to, among other things, be sure the kids had their heads in the game to avoid disaster.
This makes no sense to me.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 2:10 pm to TigerLawProf
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Look, Kelly has a bunch of kids most, if not all, of whom had never faced this situation. Leaving Arky with 5 seconds from their 30 yard line was a reasonable price to pay for using timeouts to, among other things, be sure the kids had their heads in the game to avoid disaster.
What? Your first sentence is another reason to manage the clock better and kick the FG in the last play.
Why put those kids in a position to give up a TD on the kick return or have a PI call on the Hail Mary that gives Arkansas an extra play to tie or even win.
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