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re: Why do you think Shaq didn’t win a Natty at LSU?

Posted on 6/2/26 at 10:02 am to
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
92796 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 10:02 am to
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the main reason Shaq didn’t win the NC is because teams were fricking stacked back then.


and overlooked is that Shaq was a work in progress back then, he was pretty raw at LSU but improved with each season, not the same as NBA Shaq, by a lot
Posted by TopWaterTiger
Lake Charles, LA
Member since May 2006
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Posted on 6/2/26 at 10:04 am to
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There is some footage from an interview with Shaq referencing the egos on the team. They all wanted their points. Dale had not one but two seven footers plus chris Jackson. Between Dale not knowing what to do with that talent, and the team not being a team, it’s “what could have been”


This. Talent was there, even Dale Brown should have been able to get them to a Final Four. But Dale wasn't up to the coaching challenge.
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
14758 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 10:10 am to
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There is some footage from an interview with Shaq referencing the egos on the team.


I agree. There is tape, that I remember, of Shaq with the ball and refused to pass to wide open Chris. Instead he forced it up, was fouled, and missed the free throws.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
48063 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 10:22 am to
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and overlooked is that Shaq was a work in progress back then, he was pretty raw at LSU but improved with each season, not the same as NBA Shaq, by a lot
Agreed. I've said this many times on this board and got retorted with Shaq's freshman stats. He wasn't the Freshman of the year. That was...

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Kenny Anderson of Georgia Tech was the consensus 1990 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Freshman of the Year.

Guess who LSU lost to in the NCAAT? And who did that team lose to in the Final Four?

Not coming at you, just asking people to educate themselves.
Posted by MIKEDATIGER
AUSTIN
Member since Oct 2007
2190 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 10:36 am to
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I still feel sorry for Fess Irvin.


Fess was never the same after this game

Irvin not Irwin
This post was edited on 6/2/26 at 9:58 pm
Posted by LSUDAN1
Member since Oct 2010
11266 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 10:54 am to
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Dale Brown


put LSU basketball on the map


And helped remove it too. Dude had a great run until he destroyed it.
Posted by foghat
Dallas
Member since Sep 2006
1075 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 10:55 am to
coaching
Posted by jflsufan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Mar 2013
5186 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 11:08 am to
Dale didn't use the "Freak Defense" enough in the tourney.
Posted by redfish99
B.R.
Member since Aug 2007
19522 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 11:08 am to
Pg play is paramount in the college game. He didn’t play w a good one.
Posted by LSUbasketballfan
Member since Jan 2021
708 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 11:15 am to
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and overlooked is that Shaq was a work in progress back then, he was pretty raw at LSU but improved with each season,


Brown even brought in Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Bill Walton to help Shaq with various big man skills. People love to forget or just don’t care know just how much Shaq improved from the time he stepped foot on campus to when he left.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
36030 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 11:20 am to
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Obviously an all time great coach in Dale Brown.


Because Dale Brown wasn't an all time great coach. He may have been an all time great coach within the scope of LSU, but he wasn't within the scope of College Basketball.
Posted by Bryno1960
Off River Road
Member since Aug 2013
3893 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 11:25 am to
Dale Brown
Posted by geauxjo
Gonzales, LA
Member since Sep 2004
15406 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 11:36 am to
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Because Dale Brown wasn't an all time great coach.


3rd winningest coach in SEC history doesn’t get you on list of all timers?

Behind only Rupp and Donovan.

Ahead of CM Newton, Durham, Pearl, Richardson, etc.

Multiple Sweet 16s, elite 8s, final 4s. SEC titles.

Man yall have a different measure of success
Posted by Gen Patton
Member since Dec 2009
2217 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 12:08 pm to
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People blame Dale's in game coaching for it but it was a recruiting failure.


Jamie Brandon from Chicago was supposed to be the successor but it never came together for him, one of the best recruits in the country
Posted by Bandit1980
God's Country
Member since Nov 2019
4638 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 12:15 pm to
Bill Laimbeer played for Notre Dame.
Posted by Picayuner
Member since Dec 2016
3840 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 12:17 pm to
People don’t know jack. It wasn’t Dale Brown. He was a great coach. He beat teams that had more talent than LSU for over a decade. His most talented teams 1980 and the years with Shaq, simply lost close games against great teams. He lost in the tournament several times to the eventual champion. He coached a GREAT game against the Indiana team that won by one point. That Indiana team had twice the talent and we almost beat them. The greatest game I’ve ever attended was in the superdome vs. Georgetown. LSU didn’t have the talent but beat them in front of a record crowd. Thanks coach for the greatest years in LSU basketball history. Will wade has to win a lot of SEC championships to catch up. He won’t be able to in my opinion
Posted by The Blue Stuff
Member since Oct 2015
2497 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 12:22 pm to
2nd round bro
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
12988 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 12:23 pm to
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He only played one year with CJ and look at who they lost to in the NCAAT, and who subsequently won the NCCAT.


One of the biggest reasons they lost in 1992 was Mike Hansen getting momo in the last month of the season. He was a shooter in the mold of Keith Hornsby and Max Mckinnon and kept opponents from packing the paint. He was not the same after he returned from missing a couple of weeks.
Posted by Purple N Gold Savage
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2018
97 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 12:43 pm to
Coaching! Plain & simple! with that final four squad they had if they had a top tier coach they would've cut down the nets!
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
18792 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 12:46 pm to
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It wasn’t Dale Brown. He was a great coach


I think it's all relative - Dale gave me some great memories of basketball and was a fantastic motivator and recruiter - those things are part of coaching and those are two things he was good at. He had a couple of teams that really overachieved according to their talent and got kids to come to LSU that for the most part did not in the past.

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He beat teams that had more talent than LSU for over a decade.
I would argue that for the span from 1978-79 to 90-91 - you could argue LSU could compare talent-wise over that span with the vast majority of teams in College hoops - so for half his career his talent level matched up very well.

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He coached a GREAT game against the Indiana team that won by one point. That Indiana team had twice the talent and we almost beat them.
You are correct here, we had no business even being in that game, that run in the tourney was Dale's finest hour. But he cost his team the game going four corners with the 9-point lead, I'll argue that till the cows come home.

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he greatest game I’ve ever attended was in the superdome vs. Georgetown.
That was fun, I was there as well.

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Will wade has to win a lot of SEC championships to catch up. He won’t be able to in my opinion
WW took over a pretty bad situation and did much better than Dale did in their respective first 5 years. And his SEC title in a much tougher SEC was one more than Dale got in his first 5.

Saying Dale was a strong contributing factor in why LSU never one a Natty when Shaq was here is not an unreasonable statement. It can be argued here certainly - and several have. Dale had his strengths and Dale had his faults - but it was never boring we can say that.

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