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re: Why do you think Shaq didn’t win a Natty at LSU?
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:15 pm to root canal
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:15 pm to root canal
Harold did have productive years off the bench but knee injury stopped him from full development. Jamie Brandon, Mo and Caesar were still there too. All really good players but Brown could never decide how he wanted to spread minutes among the guards and had Brandon out of position (PG) while Shaq was there.
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Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:15 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Dale Brown……just read what Bobby Knight was quoted as saying….
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:21 pm to coolpapaboze
[quote]They were more than solid. Chris Jackson was unstoppable. That team was loaded with talent and I think they lost in the first round of the NCAA tourney?
Seems like as a group, they only played one year together. Had they had more than one season, who knows what would have happened.
Dale gets shite on a lot, but in the decade prior to this team he managed to make multiple final fours and final eights, a sweet 16 and almost every year had us in the tournament.
Seems like as a group, they only played one year together. Had they had more than one season, who knows what would have happened.
Dale gets shite on a lot, but in the decade prior to this team he managed to make multiple final fours and final eights, a sweet 16 and almost every year had us in the tournament.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:24 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Dale Brown
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:26 pm to geauxjo
Laimbeer played at Notre Dame.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:27 pm to Keltic Tiger
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Brown's teams never won a SEC championship at a time when the SEC was not it's normal power league
LSU would have won 2 out of 3 SEC championships during Shaq’s tenure had it not been for some serious home cooking at Arkansas at the end of 91-92. Refs fouled the hell out of Shaq at the end of that game and it didn’t get called. Carried over to the SEC Tournament when the fight against Tennessee happened.
The SEC was far from a weak league in the 80s and 90s.
The 89-90 team had no seniors and maybe one junior. Shaq was raw and 17 and Stanley Roberts was extremely lazy. There were no veteran leaders on that team in an era were the best teams were loaded with seniors. Put Ricky Blanton on that team and they may win a national championship.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:40 pm to LSUbasketballfan
You could argue the 90s were the SECs best decade for basketball. 3 National Titles, 5 title games, were in the Final 4 seven of the ten years, had 4 different teams make it for a total of 9 appearances, had multiple teams in the Final 4 multiple times.
This post was edited on 6/1/26 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:44 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Because Dale Brown is as bad a game day coach as any who has ever walked a sideline.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 9:48 pm to Lou the Jew from LSU
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Hack-a-Shaq
Good strategery. Shaq was not good at the line. Actually he got worse over time.
But, he was mauled many times without fouls called.
I went to a Vandy game here in Nashville. Vandy won on home cookin. Now get this, Vandy had two bigs that rotated. They finished with one foul between them, AND SHAQ FOULED OUT. Shaq would have guards down low, grabbing his arms.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 10:04 pm to Good Times
If he had stuck with his original shot form he would’ve been a 65%+ FT shooter eventually. I don’t know if he came up with the changes or a coach did but his original shot had a chance just needed reps and polish. What it became was purely broken. As great as Shaq turned out he left a lot on the table because of bad choices.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 10:08 pm to SaintlyTiger88
same reasons Kentucky didn't win more championships. stacked team is not as good as complimentary team.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 10:19 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Primarily because the teams that won natty’s were all loaded and in that era, it was generally even rare to have junior’s going pro. Teams were deep and loaded. Dale wasn’t as bad as they say, but he did give up a tactical advantage when going against some of the all time great tacticians (Coach K, Bobby Knight, Rick Pitino, Jerry Tarkanian, John Thompson, Dean Smith, etc, etc).
All the champ teams or almost champs had 2-3 NBA first round picks or more on them.
Duke - Hurley, Laetner, Grant Hill
UNLV - Larry Johnson, Stacey Augman, Greg Anthony
Georgia Tech - Kenny Anderson, Dennis Scott
Georgetown - Alonzo Morning, Dikembe Mutombo
All the champ teams or almost champs had 2-3 NBA first round picks or more on them.
Duke - Hurley, Laetner, Grant Hill
UNLV - Larry Johnson, Stacey Augman, Greg Anthony
Georgia Tech - Kenny Anderson, Dennis Scott
Georgetown - Alonzo Morning, Dikembe Mutombo
Posted on 6/1/26 at 10:20 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Nikita Wilson was suspended for the 85-86 season for grades. I always wonder what that season would have looked like with John Williams, Ricky Blanton, Don Redden and Nikita Wilson along with Derrick Taylor. Could the Louisville game had been different with Nikita who could be be a match up problem.
86-87 had N.Wilson, Anthony Wilson, Jose Vargas and Woodside and Oliver and Daryl Joe on the point. Once that team came together they were hard to beat. Blanton was hurt that year and did not play . If he was healthy, he might have been the difference because he was defensive demon
That being said, what hurt Dale with his dream teams of Shaq, Stanley,Jackson and Maurice along with Vernal was that he really had no real point guard. Jackson was a scoring machine and Maurice when he was on was also a scoring machine. They were not ball handlers or guys looking to pass first and feed the ball.
86-87 had N.Wilson, Anthony Wilson, Jose Vargas and Woodside and Oliver and Daryl Joe on the point. Once that team came together they were hard to beat. Blanton was hurt that year and did not play . If he was healthy, he might have been the difference because he was defensive demon
That being said, what hurt Dale with his dream teams of Shaq, Stanley,Jackson and Maurice along with Vernal was that he really had no real point guard. Jackson was a scoring machine and Maurice when he was on was also a scoring machine. They were not ball handlers or guys looking to pass first and feed the ball.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 10:29 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Didn't call half of the fouls committed against him. Hack-a-shaq was a real strategy.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 10:49 pm to CDawson
If you want to run with it, then so be it. But, he could get his teams up against other highly ranked teams. He took it to UNLV when they were unbeatable - almost I remember when an undermaned LSU took out Georgetown at the Dome. There was the night they met up with Oklahoma and Tisdale and Jose Vargas had the game of his life and handily beat the Sooner
He could motivate and he could coach, but he would screw the pooch against lesser teams. Play Georgia and somehow Matt Geiger would have a whale of a game. Play Vandy, and Goheen might go off for a career night
He could motivate and he could coach, but he would screw the pooch against lesser teams. Play Georgia and somehow Matt Geiger would have a whale of a game. Play Vandy, and Goheen might go off for a career night
Posted on 6/1/26 at 10:53 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Why do you think Shaq went to LSU?
The correct answer is Dale Brown
The correct answer is Dale Brown
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:33 am to ETPHONEHOME
No. LSU was not beating eventual national champion UNLV in 1990 nor Duke in 1991. Those were legendary, all time great teams. LSU had a handful of superstars but was a fairly unspectacular team across the board especially at guard, even with Chris Jackson in the mix in 1990. Dale's two final four teams were better despite not having big lottery picks.
Ironically it was uneven, poor recruiting that did in the Shaq teams, despite the perception of Dale as only a recruiter.
Ironically it was uneven, poor recruiting that did in the Shaq teams, despite the perception of Dale as only a recruiter.
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:54 am to Jim Hopper
It was Dale Brown. An issue which came up in numerous games during that 1989-90 season, when LSU was absolutely loaded with talent, was that opponents would slow down the game-- that's how LSU ended up losing 6 SEC games, to mostly inferior teams. The coach couldn't make adjustments --.if they couldn't run, they didn't win. Also they lost games because of poor FT shooting. Not to mention inability to handle the press. I remember one game in the NCAA tourney vs Villanova that the Tigers turned the ball over a horrendous ten straight possessions-- all because of the press and inability to cleanly inbound the ball.
Dale ushered in the modern era of LSU basketball, and did a lot of good things for the program. He was Tiger hoops answer to football's Paul Dietzel. But honestly after that aforementioned "Final Six" meltdown vs Indiana in 1987, he couldn't coach a lick. Something happened that evening to his level of confidence.
Dale ushered in the modern era of LSU basketball, and did a lot of good things for the program. He was Tiger hoops answer to football's Paul Dietzel. But honestly after that aforementioned "Final Six" meltdown vs Indiana in 1987, he couldn't coach a lick. Something happened that evening to his level of confidence.
Posted on 6/2/26 at 2:23 am to Tall Tiger
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LSU was not beating eventual national champion UNLV in 1990
But LSU did beat UNLV in 1990, 107-105. It’s one of Browns signature wins.
Posted on 6/2/26 at 4:24 am to SaintlyTiger88
Shaq couldn't catch a passed ball without having a foul called on him. It was ridiculous. Reason I stopped watching basketball. The entire game should be outlawed.
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