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re: Update: Lack of Institutional Control is coming, and womens tennis laid the seed
Posted on 12/10/20 at 11:51 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 12/10/20 at 11:51 am to SammyTiger
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However the Verge and Joseph stuff is not as bad as people act like it is. We’re talking knowledge months before Davis was suspended not years. Joseph went to a Title IX hearing over the summer.
87’s previous threads talked about Jade’s Dad going HAM trying to raise the issues and being ignored for years
her dad has all of the records of his attempts to get authorities involved
verge was asked to get involved with davis.
I am sure Bernhard, Joseph and CEO’s fingerprints are all over this
Posted on 12/10/20 at 11:51 am to bstew3006
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2012....2012....not 17, 18, 19....but 2012? Why stop there, let’s see what happened in 2004?
Meh. It’s just showing that the Sells were POS ever since arriving on campus. Which, to be honest, was well known in the tennis community nationwide...plenty of negative recruiting against LSU which is why they likely started commuting recruit violations in the first place
This post was edited on 12/10/20 at 11:52 am
Posted on 12/10/20 at 11:52 am to bstew3006
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If he has the info to run him off, he’ll do so before January
If there's anything to it, look for a preliminary report, or leaks coming from the Administration.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 11:52 am to Stud Bud
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The only reason Sell probably still has a job is the same reason a lot of scummy people have jobs/won’t or can’t lose them no matter how poorly their results are.
They have dirt on other people and have threatened to take everyone down with them.
Bingo
They all have dirt on each other, so no one can or wants to make a move
This post was edited on 12/10/20 at 11:53 am
Posted on 12/10/20 at 11:53 am to jlovel7
If this lady was so unlikable and seemingly problematic, who is she related to or who is she banging on the side to still be around and not fired?
Posted on 12/10/20 at 11:57 am to Big EZ Tiger
Institutionally LSU is completely tied to a big pile of frick
They can’t fire anyone at this point without basically admitting the entire AD dropped the ball
They are also being attacked at all angles with basketball, OLOL, Guice, this tennis issue et
Anyone hoping this ends nicely is a forever optimist
They can’t fire anyone at this point without basically admitting the entire AD dropped the ball
They are also being attacked at all angles with basketball, OLOL, Guice, this tennis issue et
Anyone hoping this ends nicely is a forever optimist
This post was edited on 12/10/20 at 11:58 am
Posted on 12/10/20 at 11:57 am to OchoDedos
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there's anything to it, look for a preliminary report, or leaks coming from the Administration.
The next 3 weeks will be interesting AF! If SW feels he has enough to remove with cause, he’s already communicating with the replacement.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:00 pm to lsupride87
the other piece of this big puzzle is Tony Minnis’ lawsuit against the athletic department, which LSU said under oath they expected Top 10 recruiting classes and better finishes in the NCAA tournament (as the causes for letting him go)
Then magically right after this LSU women’s tennis signs two top classes (which we found out later they were blatantly cheating to produce, and all of those players transferred out immediately) ... was LSU Complaince looking the other way to help women’s tennis succeed due to the lawsuit?
I really think it’s all connected and it was a perfect storm of events that just happened to converge at the same time. Top tennis player (Jade) with a 5 star football player (Davis) who was already connected to the AD since he was local (Davis-Verge relationship)
Local media really dropped the ball covering all of this IMO
Then magically right after this LSU women’s tennis signs two top classes (which we found out later they were blatantly cheating to produce, and all of those players transferred out immediately) ... was LSU Complaince looking the other way to help women’s tennis succeed due to the lawsuit?
I really think it’s all connected and it was a perfect storm of events that just happened to converge at the same time. Top tennis player (Jade) with a 5 star football player (Davis) who was already connected to the AD since he was local (Davis-Verge relationship)
Local media really dropped the ball covering all of this IMO
This post was edited on 12/10/20 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:02 pm to bstew3006
Ncaa :
How did you miss this?
LSU:
Well you see, we were busy. We had a tennis player being beaten and her coach didn’t do anything about it. Oh, forgot to mention, the guy beating the shite out of her was a football player. Oh, another side note we are dealing with, the football player admitted to an admin that he was beating her but he sat on that for months
Ncaa:
That’s awful
LSU:
Not done yet. Sorry, forgot to mention. We were a little slim in our investigative dept because we were also looking at our potential connections to football players parents and a giant money laundering scheme. And that was tough for us to focus on because our basketball coach was a little busy making strong arse offers
How did you miss this?
LSU:
Well you see, we were busy. We had a tennis player being beaten and her coach didn’t do anything about it. Oh, forgot to mention, the guy beating the shite out of her was a football player. Oh, another side note we are dealing with, the football player admitted to an admin that he was beating her but he sat on that for months
Ncaa:
That’s awful
LSU:
Not done yet. Sorry, forgot to mention. We were a little slim in our investigative dept because we were also looking at our potential connections to football players parents and a giant money laundering scheme. And that was tough for us to focus on because our basketball coach was a little busy making strong arse offers
This post was edited on 12/10/20 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:03 pm to Eighteen
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the biggest question anyone should ask is why Joe Alleva and the athletic department covered so hard for Julia Sells.
Neither one was likeable enough to keep around.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:04 pm to Magician2
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Davis happened under Os watch. O deserves to be fired.
O suspended and later kicked off team the player in question. The player subsequently left school and is assumed to have been expelled. What was he covering up?
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:04 pm to Eighteen
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the biggest question anyone should ask is why Joe Alleva and the athletic department covered so hard for Julia Sells.
It’s women’s tennis, no one would have batted an eye if they were fired yet they continued to allow them to commit blatant recruiting violations and now all of this. Just ridiculous
Cause they knew all the secrets
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:05 pm to GetmorewithLes
quote:It was months between the beating and his suspension
What was he covering up?
We know Sell and Verge knew. Who else
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:06 pm to lsupride87
You mean the guy that deleted the texts and didn't tell anyone else?
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:07 pm to bstew3006
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but 2012? Why stop there, let’s see what happened in 2004?
Probably because it was the same coach with a similar response as with the newer allegations. You don't think it's relevant to look at the entire tenure of this particular coach?
As far as I'm concerned, I would think anything under Alleva or Woodward should be fair game when looking for a patterns.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:09 pm to Big EZ Tiger
Let’s go through this again to end the guessing. Title IX is a federal legal, not an NCAA regulation. It pertains to every aspect of the university , not just athletics. The Ath Dep only comes under scrutiny if it doesn’t report or interferes with the process. Title IX has three components : reporting, investigation, and due process.
Coaches, teachers, university reps /volunteers, and students who hold certain positions are mandatory reporters. If they receive a complaint they have to report it to the Title IX office. Miles,Orgeron, and the FB staff did not receive an initial complaint. The tennis coaches received it. If they didn’t report it to Title IX they are in the hook. If Title IX didn’t investigate it , then it’s their issue not the AD or FB issue. The only potential issue relative investigation is if there is any evidence that a FB coach or AD staff interferes with the investigation. We won’t know this until Feb. as it relates to “suspending “ a player, the coach shouldn’t do this until the Title IX folks have completed the investigation and due process. Unless I missed something , Guice didn’t receive a final “verdict”. Davis received one and was both suspended and removed for school. LSU is being sued right now by a player for allegedly suspending the FB player before the completion of due process. The Stanford athlete and Duke Lacrosse players successfully sued their schools under Title IX bc they acted before the completion of due process. The irony in this is that we hired Joe Alleva who flubbed the Duke Lacross investigation, which resulted in a large payout to those players. Looks like he may have flubbed somethings here with the tennis coaches.
Coaches, teachers, university reps /volunteers, and students who hold certain positions are mandatory reporters. If they receive a complaint they have to report it to the Title IX office. Miles,Orgeron, and the FB staff did not receive an initial complaint. The tennis coaches received it. If they didn’t report it to Title IX they are in the hook. If Title IX didn’t investigate it , then it’s their issue not the AD or FB issue. The only potential issue relative investigation is if there is any evidence that a FB coach or AD staff interferes with the investigation. We won’t know this until Feb. as it relates to “suspending “ a player, the coach shouldn’t do this until the Title IX folks have completed the investigation and due process. Unless I missed something , Guice didn’t receive a final “verdict”. Davis received one and was both suspended and removed for school. LSU is being sued right now by a player for allegedly suspending the FB player before the completion of due process. The Stanford athlete and Duke Lacrosse players successfully sued their schools under Title IX bc they acted before the completion of due process. The irony in this is that we hired Joe Alleva who flubbed the Duke Lacross investigation, which resulted in a large payout to those players. Looks like he may have flubbed somethings here with the tennis coaches.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:13 pm to lsupride87
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They are also being attacked at all angles with basketball, OLOL, Guice, this tennis issue et
Guice seems to be the biggest problem for football to me because he seemed to have multiple issues, yet was portrayed as just a fun-loving kid from a really bad background. He was obviously a major contributor to the program. F Alexander made it seem like he was very close to Guice, so it seems he would have maybe heard about some of this stuff.
Now that Guice blew his career with the latest incident, it seems clear that he has significant issues. LSU probably didn't so him any favors in regards to accountability, and now he is going to have to be accountable for his actions in the real world (though I don't know how the circumstances looked with his LSU incidents because it can sometimes be unclear when lots of alcohol is involved, etc).
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:23 pm to lsupride87
Obviously we need to sacrifice both mens and women's tennis programs at the altar of the NCAA. The TAF can redirect the money allotted for tennis scholarships and related expenses to the a general buyout fund for football coaches.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:25 pm to Eighteen
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the biggest question anyone should ask is why Joe Alleva and the athletic department covered so hard for Julia Sells.
It’s women’s tennis, no one would have batted an eye if they were fired yet they continued to allow them to commit blatant recruiting violations and now all of this. Just ridiculous
She should have been run out of town the second NCAA came to town on them the first time
Given these stories about how manipulative she is it isn’t a stretch to imagine a scenario where she was told about a football player and one of her players then reported it to the admin (or football) only to say she is a team player and isn’t going to bring the house down. Then when questioned about her own performance or other issues she held it over the admin’s head.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:32 pm to lsupride87
Honestly, if all of this is true, we deserve lack of institutional control.
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