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re: The O line is simply not good

Posted on 11/18/18 at 9:50 am to
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
14881 posts
Posted on 11/18/18 at 9:50 am to
I love how the guys who said we would only win 4-5 games like to nitpick now. They lost all credibility when we didn’t implode.
Posted by Gus Tinsley
NW LA.
Member since May 2008
3477 posts
Posted on 11/18/18 at 9:53 am to
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To the rest of us, the answer is obvious. Stop hiring your friends and people you're comfortable with and start hiring people that are competent at their jobs.



Not sure about the rest of the post but this one thing is for certain. Being someones buddy is ok but this is a job not a social club. Some tough decisions have to be made and as much as I like Ensminger we need a different OC.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 11/18/18 at 10:00 am to
quote:

the same shite that got Less Smiles shitcanned

You people need to stop with this shite. The thing that got Les fired was losing. Les would not have been fired after the Auburn game if LSU had won - regardless of offensive stats. After 2011, LSU didn't lose fewer than 3 games. 5 of Miles' first 7 seasons had fewer than 3 losses, none of his last 5 seasons had fewer than 3 losses.

Of course you can blame the HC for everything that goes wrong, he's in charge. But in order to get a better idea of exactly where the coach is failing you have to look at the play on the field. In this case I would blame the coaches for not recruiting better talent on the OL, especially at OT.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 11/18/18 at 10:01 am to
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Just look at his binder avatar. He is an O hater.


Not true. I was willing to give Orgeron the benefit of the doubt up until the Matt Canada fiasco and then the hiring of Ensminger.

The binder avitar was an indictment of the hiring process that resulted in a hiring like an Ed Orgeron, not Ed Orgeron himself, and an expression of my hate for Alleva.

quote:

Anything less than 100% of the bad being O’s fault is unacceptable, but he balances that with 0% of the good being assigned to O!


I give credit to Orgeron for the following things:
1. Recruiting. I think he's a great recruiter.
2. Emotion and motivation. I think he's a great motivational coach and he gets the players hyped up to play the game. He's a player's coach and the players love him. This is evidenced by the fact that he doesn't have let down games like Les Miles did.
3. He's candid with the media. Some would say too candid so not everybody likes this but I appreciate it.

I give blame to Orgeron for the following things:
1. He's not qualified for the job. This doesn't mean that he can't do the job but he probably should have never been considered to begin with when there were so many other coaches available who probably would have took the position. Rumor was that Dave Aranda was offered the job and turn it down because he recognized that he wasn't ready so forgive me if I don't withhold blame from Orgeron because, "why would he turn down the money and power?"
2. Some of the coaching hires he's made.
3. The promotion of Steve Ensmoinger to offensive coordinator and the continued offensive futility.
4. The Matt Canada situation.

With all that said I still hold out hope that Orgeron can right the ship but it's going to completely hinge on whether or not he makes a sensible offensive coordinator hire for 2019. If he continues with Ensminger then I'm done with him and I want him fired yesterday at that point.

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I’m not an O pumper, but I am content with the current recruiting, the unpredictable and more balanced offense, the 9-2 record, and the top ten ranking. Now give me 10-2, a bowl win, and a top 5 finish and my contentment will turn to happiness, but not bliss that only occurs with a Naty.


Nothing wrong with that take. We all agree that the record this year exceeded most people's expectations but I think anybody with two eyeballs can see that should be attributed to special teams and defense. It's certainly not because the offense lit the world on fire or even was good enough to crack the top 80 offenses in the nation. And this is the problem everybody has.

The last head coach did all the same things Orgeron is doing. He was fired because he wouldn't fix the offense. It doesn't look like Orgeron has done anything to try to address that either. He took a step forward with the Matt Canada hire, then took a big step back with the Ensminger hire, so I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens in the offseason.
This post was edited on 11/18/18 at 10:04 am
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25343 posts
Posted on 11/18/18 at 10:17 am to
I watched the rice game and yes we put up plenty of points and yes Burrow frequently had suggicent time to throw the ball. But that doesn't change the fact that the O line blocking was poor.
The O line performance was barely sufficient against bottom of the line talent. The level of competition last night just exemplified the fact.

Rice has no future NFL D lineman. No players that could plausibly excuse the lack of dominance in the trenches.




If you understand line, have played line, know the techniques...then it has been obvious all season.




There are many plausible reasons, player ability, injuries, coaching, etc.

But what we saw last night should make obvious how difficult it is to scheme around.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288418 posts
Posted on 11/18/18 at 10:32 am to
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and yes Burrow frequently had suggicent time to throw the ball. But that doesn't change the fact that the O line blocking was poor.


I think he was touched once all night.

had significant time to throw the ball, you the blocking was poor? huh

we didn't punt once with the first team out there.

pretty much ran at will


you could have made this post after most games this season. But not last night
Posted by GeorgePaton
God's Country
Member since May 2017
5048 posts
Posted on 11/18/18 at 10:41 am to
I wouldn't go so far as to say they're not good.....maybe average is more descriptive. Bottom line, is our O/L good enough to protect Joe against the A&M rush? We'll see.

Some many questions....so few answers.
Posted by LATIGERFAN
Member since Sep 2009
1465 posts
Posted on 11/18/18 at 10:55 am to
How many of these linemen with eligibility left are playing this year?

Mae Tehuema
Garret Brumfield
Will Clapp
Ed Ingram
Toby Weathersby

Posted by 225Tyga
Member since Oct 2013
19433 posts
Posted on 11/18/18 at 10:59 am to
You don’t know anything about what to watch for when watching offensive line play.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16107 posts
Posted on 11/18/18 at 11:29 am to
quote:

We're not getting a push. I'm not sure how much Is technique and how much is strength.


You would think that a line with players like S Charles, Brumfield, Hines, Cushenberry, Lewis, Magee, and Deculus would be stronger. I just don't get how these guys are not making a one of the better SEC O lines. ON paper we are deep and talented on the Oline. Different story on the field.
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7266 posts
Posted on 11/18/18 at 12:02 pm to
quote:

the unpredictable


It's not very unpredictable. Ensminger really struggles to make in game adjustments and work outside his gameplan it seems.

quote:

and more balanced offense


It is more balanced for sure.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30152 posts
Posted on 11/18/18 at 12:16 pm to
glad im not the only one seeing this, whoever the O-line coach is needs to go.

regardless of individual talent levels at each spot, basic fundamentals of play are not being monitored and corrected.

this is but one thing among many that we have issues with but it seems no one is responsible for this most basic area of concern.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33893 posts
Posted on 11/18/18 at 12:22 pm to
quote:

I love how the guys who said we would only win 4-5 games like to nitpick now. They lost all credibility when we didn’t implode.




Who said we'd only win 4-5 games?
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25343 posts
Posted on 11/18/18 at 1:51 pm to
quote:

You don’t know anything about what to watch for when watching offensive line play.



Lol, except all the things I noted.


Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
11405 posts
Posted on 11/18/18 at 1:56 pm to
quote:

To the rest of us, the answer is obvious. Stop hiring your friends and people you're comfortable with and start hiring people that are competent at their jobs.


Nailed it. I think his insecurity in hiring friends will undo it all. It is hard to imagine that the oline players are generally not serviceable. It is on the STAFF to make them better.
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
88713 posts
Posted on 11/18/18 at 2:36 pm to
quote:

I love how the guys who said we would only win 4-5 games like to nitpick now


Name some of these people.
Posted by countrytiger60
Larose
Member since Sep 2018
4227 posts
Posted on 11/18/18 at 2:45 pm to
so you are saying that it's the coaches fault for the six dropped passes!
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
19235 posts
Posted on 11/18/18 at 2:48 pm to
I saw the same things. Just with less frequency because of the opponent. I'll add one, and it really frustrates me because it has been ongoing all year: getting out of stance slow.

The play (sack) that ended the 1st half is a perfect example of our issues this year. And forgive me, I'm going off memory.

- Charles got beat to the inside and was the source of the most problematic pressure (QB can't step up or run). DE (or blitzing LB?) pushed upfield, Charles' momentum got the best of him, had a poor base with his feet, and had poor leverage as a result. DE planted his foot and cut inside. Note Charles was staying with him and moving well on the push upfield but whiffed on the quick move inside.

- Deculus and Lewis faced a stunt. They switched off like they should, but for a brief split second Deculus wanted to "chase" the DE cutting across his face to Lewis' area of responsibility. He recovered, engaged the right rusher. However, because of that "chase" his shoulders were almost perpendicular to the line of scrimmage. Which means he was unable to block a push upfield, and got flanked. On the recovery he should have "punched" the outside shoulder of the rusher, misdirecting him enough to get more parallel to the pocket.
Posted by joechristoppher77
Ruston
Member since Apr 2006
5373 posts
Posted on 11/18/18 at 2:57 pm to
Yep, there's your starting Center, RG and RT, 2 of the 3 being upperclassmen that actually have the desired strength. Hurts a lot more than anyone wants to admit, evaluating, coaching and keeping OL is our biggest issue it seems
Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
16356 posts
Posted on 11/18/18 at 3:22 pm to
First of all, who recruits and "coaches up" the offensive linemen?

Two; bullshite. It's scheme.

It's not playcalling. It's scheme. There are two basic play calls, right? Run, or pass. Sure, the unpredictability of the runs and passes helps. (pass on 1st down; draw play on 3rd down.) But it's the scheme -- the pass routes, the running schemes (misdirection, which I NEVER see) ... screens (which are ALWAYS poorly executed.)

So, you're saying that LSU has the singular misfortune of recruiting crappy offensive players, who underachieve, while on defense, they recruit players who overachieve? I mean, what were Brandon Harris? Anthony Jennings? Narcisse? Burrow? Brennan? All 4 and 5 star recruits. O-line ... same thing.

This "Brennan isn't ready bullshite" ... frick, when IS he going to be ready?! That guy Minshew went up to Washington St and in his first year is leading the country in passing. If he'd come to LSU, he'd be having an average season.

It's scheme. Ensminger is a great guy, great Tiger. Give him a gold watch and a nice retirement and Godspeed. Hire someone who can coach an offense in the 21st century.

/end rant/

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