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re: The O line is simply not good
Posted on 11/19/18 at 10:16 am to TigerJeff
Posted on 11/19/18 at 10:16 am to TigerJeff
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Yes, I blame those conniving SOBs for putting over a con job on our earnest recruiters, convincing them they were really good, when they really weren't
So you can't refute what the OP said, or come up with a scheme designed to make a poor Oline look good. Charles is a converted guard. If he's athletic enough to play tackle I haven't seen it.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 10:17 am to bencoleman
WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR RECRUITING PLAYERS????!!!!!
GOOD GRIEF!!!!!!!
GOOD GRIEF!!!!!!!
Posted on 11/19/18 at 10:20 am to bencoleman
I am not a football coach. Never said I was. I can, however, look at statistics (garbage national rankings on offense) and know that something is wrong.
I repeat, there are college teams, WITH MUCH LESS OFFENSIVE LINE TALENT THAN LSU, who produce greater offensive production. How do they do that? frick if I know. I'm not a football coach. But apparently, it's do-able, and not some mystical, unattainable goal (i.e., the "dream" for LSU to one day field a 21st century offense is not a pipe dream, is do-able, is not a mystical fantasy.)
I repeat, there are college teams, WITH MUCH LESS OFFENSIVE LINE TALENT THAN LSU, who produce greater offensive production. How do they do that? frick if I know. I'm not a football coach. But apparently, it's do-able, and not some mystical, unattainable goal (i.e., the "dream" for LSU to one day field a 21st century offense is not a pipe dream, is do-able, is not a mystical fantasy.)
Posted on 11/19/18 at 10:26 am to justice
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Cregg hasn’t been the homerun hire I thought he’d be
I remember how high the Rant was on him and I said based on his experience I had never heard of him and wasn't sold and was downvoted to eternity lol
Posted on 11/19/18 at 10:33 am to TigerJeff
quote:
I blame those conniving SOBs for putting over a con job on our earnest recruiters
recruiting and RETENTION
You continue to read with bias. If you don't believe players bear some responsibility for retention I don't know what to say. And current players do in fact help recruit other players by their actions and attitudes as has been evidenced this year.
Again you still have not pointed out the scheme that would hide inferior line play. We are all waiting.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 10:37 am to Areddishfish
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remember how high the Rant was on him and I said based on his experience I had never heard of him and wasn't sold and was downvoted to eternity lol
I just wonder how much difference there is and what's required to be successful in the NFL as opposed to college.
I'm assuming that most NFL players have the footwork down. Maybe they don't have to spend nearly as much time on fundamentals in the NFL as they do in college. In any event, somebody has to do a better job getting the players ready to play.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 10:41 am to nola000
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He's not qualified for the job.
We are 9-2 and ranked in the top 10. I think this argument needs to die.
you can say he wasn't qualified when hired but he has proven that he can run the program. Can he also prove in the future that this year was a fluke? sure. But right now he hasn't shown anything to say he isn't qualified for his job.
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Rumor was that Dave Aranda was offered the job and turn it down because he recognized that he wasn't ready
I've NEVER heard that rumor before this post. Further proof that you care more about blame then facts.
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4. The Matt Canada situation.
Have you ever worked with someone who doesn't get along with anyone else in the office? Not like a weird guy, but a brash loud mouthed A-hole who is always causing drama? It ruins productivity.
You can say E shouldn't have been hired but no one should criticize Canada being fired.
Basically you made up your mind preseason on how you feel about O and now you are nitpicking to try and support your thesis.
Problem is that science doesn't work like that. You cant have the answer you want and then only pay attention to the evidence that supports your preconceived opinion. Yo have to look at all the evidence objectively and decide if it supports your hypothesis or if it proves it wrong.
looking at all the evidence, we are 9-2 with the REAL possibility at a 10 or 11 win season for the first time since 2012, we are ranked in the top 10, and we have an incredible recruiting class coming in for next year.
The FACTS stated above would lead anyone to believe that the coach is doing a good job.
This post was edited on 11/19/18 at 10:48 am
Posted on 11/19/18 at 10:48 am to Bleeding purple
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Offensive scheme 2%
Looking at 2016 and 2018 which games do you think we effectively out schemed our opponent that had a good defense?
I'll say Moo State this year. UGA this year although they got a lot of short fields from the defense, but at least they executed on the opportunities given to them.
I can't really think of any outside of that which is concerning to me. I think you're discounting the scheme a little too much here.
The other area of the offense I would be curious to see how you rate is in-game adjustments. How big of a problem do you see with E's ability to make in game offensive adjustments?
Posted on 11/19/18 at 10:50 am to Tiger Tracker
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I'll say Moo State this year.
I am in the "defend the coahces" corner and I don't think we out schemed MSU at all on offense.
I think UGA is a good example but that's probably about it.
I will add that our opening drives have been schemed well all season. But once forced to ad lib, the O's productivity usually relies on one or 2 guys making a play.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 11:00 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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the O's productivity usually relies on one or 2 guys making a play.
Boom. There you fricking go.
How about a scheme that doesn't rely upon one or two guys to make a play?
Posted on 11/19/18 at 11:02 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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I don't think we out schemed MSU at all on offense.
Well I would say went in with a game plan of clock control as a priority knowing our D could keep them under 10 or so points. So I guess I would say the O executed its game plan well even though it's not exactly the most inventive plan.
So if you can only cite UGA as a decently schemed game then how/why are you defending E?
Posted on 11/19/18 at 11:03 am to Bleeding purple
Do a better job of recruiting players who will stay. Really, any excuse you come up with for poor offensive production lands at the feet of the coaching staff. So, I don't know what your point is. If the offensive line is bad, well then, who recruited them?
Posted on 11/19/18 at 11:08 am to Bleeding purple
You want to lay a load of shite on 18-21 kids and absolve guys literally making millions of dollars. I think Orgeron has done a good job, overall. I like Ensminger. But his offense is ranked way, way down in production. There are numerous schools that don't have the budget, recruiting base, etc., and frankly, don't have the level of offensive line talent that LSU has. Yet they somehow manage to produce much better offensive production.
Scheme? Better pass routes. Better designed pass routes. (Coordinators design pass routes, right?) Better designed screen passes. More quick passes. Call it whatever the hell you want. "The New, Improved LSU Offense." "The Bayou Blitzkrieg." Don't care what it's called or labeled.
I know for damn sure that LSU has better O linemen than Memphis, Utah State, Washington State, Florida Atlantic, other programs. (all of whom are ranked much higher in offensive production than LSU.)
Scheme? Better pass routes. Better designed pass routes. (Coordinators design pass routes, right?) Better designed screen passes. More quick passes. Call it whatever the hell you want. "The New, Improved LSU Offense." "The Bayou Blitzkrieg." Don't care what it's called or labeled.
I know for damn sure that LSU has better O linemen than Memphis, Utah State, Washington State, Florida Atlantic, other programs. (all of whom are ranked much higher in offensive production than LSU.)
This post was edited on 11/19/18 at 11:10 am
Posted on 11/19/18 at 11:13 am to TigerJeff
quote:
the O's productivity usually relies on one or 2 guys making a play.
Boom. There you fricking go.
How about a scheme that doesn't rely upon one or two guys to make a play
I'm sorry but I don't see a boom here.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 11:25 am to Tiger Tracker
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So if you can only cite UGA as a decently schemed game then how/why are you defending E?
I said defending the coaches as a whole not necessarily E.
I think we need a new OC that is actually innovative.
I also think that our OTs and Brumfield (I know not a popular opinion) are awful. That is why I say defend the coaches, you really do get hamstrung if 3 out of 5 OLmen are bad.
E doesn't do them any favors scheme-wise though.
This post was edited on 11/19/18 at 11:26 am
Posted on 11/19/18 at 11:35 am to Bleeding purple
Why is this so hard for people to understand? Getting a better oline would be awesome.
Better oline? Good. It's not like thats rocket science.
But that's not the only problem. You already admitted that coaching could be a problem in why our oline is playing poorly.
We are a mess on offense. Our receivers are dropping balls. Our oline (according to you) is lost.
If a new OC was in charge of running the offense in full (like Aranda on defense), don't you think that would help the oline? They would bring assistants who are familiar with their plays and can help the oline learn them better. They would help them be more disciplined in learning the system. Because according to you, our oline is either the dumbest players in the country, or they're not being taught well.
Right now we have an OC who is trying to run modern concepts, and failing badly. I love SE, but he was not the right guy to try and modernize the offense.
Better oline? Good. It's not like thats rocket science.
But that's not the only problem. You already admitted that coaching could be a problem in why our oline is playing poorly.
We are a mess on offense. Our receivers are dropping balls. Our oline (according to you) is lost.
If a new OC was in charge of running the offense in full (like Aranda on defense), don't you think that would help the oline? They would bring assistants who are familiar with their plays and can help the oline learn them better. They would help them be more disciplined in learning the system. Because according to you, our oline is either the dumbest players in the country, or they're not being taught well.
Right now we have an OC who is trying to run modern concepts, and failing badly. I love SE, but he was not the right guy to try and modernize the offense.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 11:40 am to Bleeding purple
quote:Bruh...
Offensive scheme 2%
Alabama knew every play we were going to do. We have no deception in our plays. That was said by a guy we're supposedly trying to bring in next year, Sean Salisbury. You are not seeing how badly we need a new playbook.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 11:51 am to abellsujr
Here's the deal. Orgeron doesn't know what type of offense he wants. He hired Matt Canada (whose offense wasn't really what Orgeron said he wanted.) So (even though Canada's offense was actually more productive than this year's, and actually scored points on Alabama) Canada didn't work out. So he hires Steve Ensminger, a nice guy, true Tiger, who has been working in relative obscurity as LSU's tight ends coach for several years. Hasn't been an offensive coordinator in over two decades.
First of all, does anyone think LSU's tight ends have ever been fully utilized in the passing game? Has Steve been coaching them up on their blocking skills for the past decade? BTW, nothing wrong that, per se. But, also, LSU's QB play has generally been acknowledged as poor over the past decade (people say LSU could possibly have won another NC during that span with at least decent QB play) ... and wasn't Ensminger on staff during this time? I mean, we had this great offensive mind, QB whisperer on staff, who didn't materially contribute to the quality of our QB play, simply b/c nobody thought to ask him?
See how silly all of that sounds?
This is not a vendetta against Coach Ensminger. Would love to see him on the football staff, in the football office, in some capacity. He has much value to add. But LSU simply needs some fresh blood and new thinking on the offensive side of the ball. Pay me a million dollars and I'll immerse myself in the intracacies of offensive X's and O's. Otherwise, the best I can do is simply point out that what we're doing ain't working. Which admittedly doesn't take much sense to do, but apparently others would rather put blame on the players.
First of all, does anyone think LSU's tight ends have ever been fully utilized in the passing game? Has Steve been coaching them up on their blocking skills for the past decade? BTW, nothing wrong that, per se. But, also, LSU's QB play has generally been acknowledged as poor over the past decade (people say LSU could possibly have won another NC during that span with at least decent QB play) ... and wasn't Ensminger on staff during this time? I mean, we had this great offensive mind, QB whisperer on staff, who didn't materially contribute to the quality of our QB play, simply b/c nobody thought to ask him?
See how silly all of that sounds?
This is not a vendetta against Coach Ensminger. Would love to see him on the football staff, in the football office, in some capacity. He has much value to add. But LSU simply needs some fresh blood and new thinking on the offensive side of the ball. Pay me a million dollars and I'll immerse myself in the intracacies of offensive X's and O's. Otherwise, the best I can do is simply point out that what we're doing ain't working. Which admittedly doesn't take much sense to do, but apparently others would rather put blame on the players.
This post was edited on 11/19/18 at 11:53 am
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