re: The O line is simply not good

Tiger Tracker - I appreciate the honest and non inflammatory discourse.

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I think you're discounting the scheme a little too much here

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That may be true. However, I continue to believe that LSU has played multiple schemes this season and had to abandon many due to ineffectiveness. I think when your tools are very limited especially in a critical area like the O line it makes it very difficult to scheme around. The options are just severely limited.

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The other area of the offense I would be curious to see how you rate is in-game adjustments. How big of a problem do you see with E's ability to make in game offensive adjustments?

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I think he has done a fair job with getting away from the pre-conceived game plan when it fails but is forced to revert to less than optimal but at least positive heavy protection plays. It is just very difficult to discredit his ability to make in game adjustments when he has so few options. I do think he has tried MANY different looks and plays with limited success due to the poor line play.


Maybe I am missing some scheme that would counter our obvious weakness. I don't claim to be a OC but I do know line. Of course no one else in this multi page thread has suggested the missing link golden ticket scheme either so....

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Getting a better oline would be awesome. Better oline? Good. It's not like thats rocket science.

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Getting better O line play is ESSENTIAL for this offense to be productive, as it is with every team facing our level of competition.

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If a new OC was in charge of running the offense in full (like Aranda on defense), don't you think that would help the oline? They would bring assistants who are familiar with their plays and can help the oline learn them better. They would help them be more disciplined in learning the system. Because according to you, our oline is either the dumbest players in the country, or they're not being taught well.

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A new scheme is not the same as an entirely new offensive staff. a new offensive scheme is becoming a triple option team, a power I team, a air raid offense, a gimmick offense, a full spread, a run dominate Big 10 O. Those are scheme changes. E is getting blamed for not changing scheme mid season, mid game, mid series, when as I have stated he just does not have the tools on the line to work with.


Changing out the entire offensive staff is different and could have some benefits especially in potentially improving position coach deficiencies and optimizing individual skilled player strengths. It may also have negatives in recruiting, the traditional "building year" as you get players to fit the new Offense, player retention, and on the field experience with new concepts.

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you'll notice we are trying everything. Read option, up-tempo, spread, and pro style. The problem is not that we want to run multiple schemes. The problem is that it's been ineffective.

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I agree 100%
Many (some in this thread)fail to see that though and believe some new scheme will fix it all.
I believe the reason the multiple looks have been so ineffective is largely the line.

Bama had a D lineman who was dbl teamed and triple teamed every play and was penetrating making tackles and sacks all game.

deception by formation was attempted and failed
formations were limited by needing extra blockers
deception in the backfield is slow to develop and failed due to pressure
deception with HB screen was tried but HB couldn't get to LOS due to pressure from line.

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So the issue is that we need someone to come in and teach these things properly

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not arguing that teaching technique is needed.

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We can't execute a simple screen

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I keep hearing this. I'm not familiar with what was collapsing on the screens outside of the line. Could you elaborate on how this could be executed better?

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Bama had a D lineman who was dbl teamed and triple teamed every play and was penetrating making tackles and sacks all game.

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This. I don’t think the coaches are blameless, but I fail to see how scheme plays much of a role when defensive players are breaking through the line instantaneously. We consistently lose one-on-one matchups. There’s nothing to scheme. Just block the other human.

I feel like coaches and players share the blame on this. Players are not performing, and coaches are either failing at teaching technique, recruiting, or both.

Me: our offense is ranked #90 in NCAA offensive production. We need to do something different. Our offensive philosophy is stale and we need a breath of fresh air, fresh blood.

You: our offensive line is not good. It literally doesn't matter what scheme we run, it will be unsuccessful.

If that's not what you're saying, "Please elaborate."

I refuse to believe that LSU's offensive line is not as talented as other schools whose offensive production is much greater than LSU's.

And, therein ultimately may be the problem with Orgeron. He didn't hire Aranda. That was Miles. To his credit, he fought hard to retain Aranda. However, he hired Canada, which for whatever reason "didn't work out," and instead of bringing some much-needed fresh blood into the program, he hired a retread.

You ask me for schemes. I'm not a coach. I don't get paid millions of dollars to develop schemes, pass routes, etc. However, I have the sense to know that what they're doing isn't working, and, I have the sense to know that while the o line may lack the depth we'd like, all those guys were highly recruited, and if they were at other schools with better offensive schemes, they'd be better o linemen.

Really pointless discussion ... if you agree that Ensminger needs to be replaced, before next season, then we agree on that.

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I'll answer this question if you can answer whether or not LSU can do better with a better OC.

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You have asked me once previously and twice including this post.

Sure every team in the nation could do better with a better OC. Better being a non specific qualifier. I'm not sure a different OC will necessarily be better though, especially in the areas we need him to be.

I think to fully answer that question we need to see the OC have a chance to work with a good and healthy O line. Certainly, E has some short comings just like every other coach in the nation.

It literally doesn't matter what scheme we run, it will be largely unsuccessful because our offensive line is not good, especially against superior talent and high performing defenses. (I made a few modifications but yep that is what I am saying)

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I refuse to believe that LSU's offensive line is not as talented as other schools whose offensive production is much greater than LSU's

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Well your refusal to see what is in front of you is your short coming not mine. You continue to compare apples to oranges, make illogical if/then statements about talent, and stand on the idea that a new scheme would make it all better even noting these players would be all stars under a different scheme.

I understand you may not have the OC knowledge to better describe this missing scheme. That is ok. If that is the case you may want to stop spouting statements declaring that just because the current scheme is failing there must be another better one out there.

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We need a new OC to come in and get us some assistants who can teach better technique for their concept. That's one of the issues.

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While I am anxious to see what the current staff can correct an improve on with improved line strength, health, and depth, I can not disagree that we need some offensive coaching improvements. Changing of staff may be the best route to achieve this I just think it makes sense to improve on what we have than replace at this point.


I don't think running a more modern concept is a need. Bama does not run anything specifically deceptive or modern. Neither does Georgia. They just manage to execute what they are running and play to their strengths.

No. They are just young and inexperienced....have you watched any of the games?

Other teams get penetration with ease.....size does not always equal strength....

Sometimes the other team gets through with strength and sometimes they do it with speed....& a lot of times our o line doesn’t pick up a defender...he gets by unblocked completely...see the Florida game on the left side.....