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Posted on 11/18/18 at 10:21 pm to TigerJeff
Ok, OL especially OT is the second hardest position to evaluate coming out of high school. Those 4 star ratings by rivals isn't necessarily an accurate assessment of their ability and certainly wouldn't take into account how they would perform if trained/coached sub-optimally.
Posted on 11/18/18 at 10:26 pm to Srobi14
Agree. The rankings don’t account for suboptimal coaching.
Posted on 11/18/18 at 10:29 pm to TigerJeff
quote:
Toby Weathersby - 4-star, National rank, 103
Damn, he came back?
Posted on 11/18/18 at 10:39 pm to lostinbr
An example that LSU always signs highly rated o linemen. QB’s as well.
But if the linemen are so bad, who is responsible for that?
But if the linemen are so bad, who is responsible for that?
Posted on 11/18/18 at 10:40 pm to Bleeding purple
We're depending on an offensive system that requires superior offensive line play...which we have known we dont have, for some time now. Yet, we continue running into the goddamn stacked box! Stupid mthrfkg gd chit!
Posted on 11/18/18 at 10:41 pm to TigerJeff
quote:
All of these recruits “aren’t very good” huh?
They aren’t playing very well. It doesn’t mean they don’t have the physical ability, but they are making mistakes. I believe it’s right to blame the coaches for execution errors 11 games into the season. But I also think this is a different conversation than “scheme”. It’s really about “discipline”. That’s one of the things Saban has done a phenomenal job of over the years - instilling discipline and eliminating mistakes.
I understand why people want to see a dramatically different offensive scheme. 1) Better OL footwork and technique aren’t as sexy as a new playbook. 2) Most people don’t notice the little things in the trenches that make or break plays.
I also think a lot of people hear “execution” and immediately think that others are trying to absolve the coaches of responsibility - I’m not. It’s true that Bama DOES have higher-caliber OL recruits on their team now than we do. But the coaches are responsible for recruiting those players. And the coaches are responsible for identifying and correcting mistakes.
Posted on 11/18/18 at 10:44 pm to lostinbr
quote:Somebody said that our spread concepts are ancient. And our screens are poor. We don't disguise our plays well enough. Other teams know what we are going to do.
1) Better OL footwork and technique aren’t as sexy as a new playbook.
Yes, we need a new playbook. It's not a matter of what's "sexy".
This post was edited on 11/18/18 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 11/18/18 at 10:59 pm to abellsujr
Bingeaux
Posted on 11/18/18 at 11:38 pm to TigerJeff
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If the O line is so bad as you say, then design a scheme that minimizes that weakness, and doesn’t magnify it.
I have very clearly and repetatively said that there is no scheme that overcomes an offensive line that is weak at initial run push, second level run blocking AND inside and outside pass block.
Air raid (Texas tech), gimmick play (Boise), triple option (airforce and GT), all work to lessen the impact of inferior line production. I suppose that is why we see them so highly ranked every year. And they dont even play in the best conference and division week in and week out.
You are the one of several that continue to blame the scheme with certainty that there is a better scheme to be had but when push comes to shove you cant come up with a better scheme and claim you are not paid millions to coach.
Posted on 11/18/18 at 11:40 pm to Bleeding purple
Do you think there are better OCs available to us?
Posted on 11/18/18 at 11:40 pm to lostinbr
Bravo sir, you get it.
Posted on 11/18/18 at 11:59 pm to Bleeding purple
So the point of your thread is "Our oline is simply not good". Sure. I agree. So how do we fix that? Maybe a new oline coach? Sure. Maybe better recruiting? Sure.
Ok. now what's the next issue LSU needs to deal with? Let's talk about our bad multiple scheme offensive concept. Can we try and work on that now?
Ok. now what's the next issue LSU needs to deal with? Let's talk about our bad multiple scheme offensive concept. Can we try and work on that now?
This post was edited on 11/19/18 at 12:01 am
Posted on 11/19/18 at 7:10 am to Bleeding purple
Damn, those offensive linemen can’t do anything! It’s amazing they even got D1 scholarships. Oh for the solid oaks of Utah State!
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:04 am to Bleeding purple
Who should get the blame for the OL not being any good?
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:55 am to Bleeding purple
S. Charles is the most surprising weak link. I thought half way thru last year this guy would be a very solid SEC lineman. Rice DE continued a long list of players taking it to Charles
Posted on 11/19/18 at 9:01 am to IAHTiger
I thought Charles would turn out to be all SEC at some point.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 9:04 am to Ponchy Tiger
Go read The 1st sentence of the OP. Or just about any other post in this thread by me and you'll see that I believe the fault is Multi factorial.
Ultimately the responsibility falls on the coaches.
Personally, I would break it down something like this:
Recruiting and retention especially @OT 30%
Injuries and suspensions 40%
Position coach skills/technique 20%
Strength and conditioning 5%
Discipline 3%
Offensive scheme 2%
The players bear a portion of the responsibility for 5/6 of those factors.
Ultimately the responsibility falls on the coaches.
Personally, I would break it down something like this:
Recruiting and retention especially @OT 30%
Injuries and suspensions 40%
Position coach skills/technique 20%
Strength and conditioning 5%
Discipline 3%
Offensive scheme 2%
The players bear a portion of the responsibility for 5/6 of those factors.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 9:34 am to Bleeding purple
Yes, I blame those conniving SOBs for putting over a con job on our earnest recruiters, convincing them they were really good, when they really weren't!
Posted on 11/19/18 at 10:03 am to Bleeding purple
Do you think Les Miles is to blame?
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