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The Ineligible Man Downfield Penalty and Why is it a penalty?
Posted on 3/30/20 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 3/30/20 at 5:41 pm
Football 101 question.
This one baffles me. What is the purpose of the penalty? Especially when the lineman is 5 yards down field and typically not even engaged in the play. It was the penalty our offense seemed to get a majority of the time. I never saw the advantage gained/potentially gained by the offense.
This one baffles me. What is the purpose of the penalty? Especially when the lineman is 5 yards down field and typically not even engaged in the play. It was the penalty our offense seemed to get a majority of the time. I never saw the advantage gained/potentially gained by the offense.
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Posted on 3/30/20 at 5:42 pm to LSUBCILUVTHEM
To not act as a decoy for the offense to free up an eligible receiver.
In the heat of the moment, defensive players aren't deducing whether a player is an eligible receiver or not.
In the heat of the moment, defensive players aren't deducing whether a player is an eligible receiver or not.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 5:50 pm to LSUBCILUVTHEM
New to football are you?
Posted on 3/30/20 at 6:13 pm to Gray Tiger
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New to football are you?
He did say it's a "Football 101 Question" so the answer may be yes.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 6:20 pm to LSUBCILUVTHEM
This is a good question LSUBCILUVTHEM, and I researched it a while back. It has its roots in safety for the players. When the flying wedge was made illegal for safety reasons, some other rules evolved from that. One being offensive linemen cannot go downfield on a pass play in order to prevent them from forming a moving wall that receivers can get behind. Two other rules for safety reasons is offensive players can't be moving toward the line of scrimmage when the ball is snapped and only one offensive player can be in motion at a time. All three of these were created to minimize the amount of momentum an offensive player can generate, and thereby reduce injuries. Don’t ask me why defenders can be moving toward the line of scrimmage when the ball is snapped, but offensive players can’t. That doesn’t make sense to me. Hope this helps.
This post was edited on 3/30/20 at 6:21 pm
Posted on 3/30/20 at 6:26 pm to LSUBCILUVTHEM
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This one baffles me. What is the purpose of the penalty? Especially when the lineman is 5 yards down field and typically not even engaged in the play. It was the penalty our offense seemed to get a majority of the time. I never saw the advantage gained/potentially gained by the offense
Man, I think you see the intent more now than you ever have with the RPOs.
OL downfield on a pass beyond the line of scrimmage is obviously more of an advantage than not allowing it. Plus, it removes the ability for a defense to diagnose pass vs. run if you allow them to block downfield.
The last thing we need right now is tilting the rules to favor offenses even more.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 6:28 pm to LSUBCILUVTHEM
quote:We actually got away with it A LOT, so I'm not complaining.
It was the penalty our offense seemed to get a majority of the time
Posted on 3/30/20 at 6:31 pm to LSUBCILUVTHEM
The offensive linemen have to stay behind the line of scrimmage (LOS) and as of late, been given a little leeway of 2-3 yards past the LOS. Basic football 101 from a defensive perspective is if the OL goes backwards it’s to pass block and if they go forwards it’s a run play. If the OL were allowed to run down field you’d essentially have 10 offensive players running down field as potential targets. Basically recess style football but you can rush the QB.
I assume you’re talking about the first play of the National championship game? Magee was like 6 yards down field when the ball was released. How would it be far for an OL to start running down field and be another option for the QB to dump the ball down to?
I assume you’re talking about the first play of the National championship game? Magee was like 6 yards down field when the ball was released. How would it be far for an OL to start running down field and be another option for the QB to dump the ball down to?
Posted on 3/30/20 at 6:43 pm to LSUBCILUVTHEM
Some hammering this poster but at least they are trying to understand why a rule is in place. Half the casual football fans don’t know all the rules and why.
ETA: changed “everybody” to “some”.
Mainly talking about downvotes.
ETA: changed “everybody” to “some”.
Mainly talking about downvotes.
This post was edited on 3/30/20 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 3/30/20 at 7:27 pm to OrlTiger
They left out the screen pass as that is meant to have a “moving wall” that the RB or receiver can get behind
Posted on 3/30/20 at 7:34 pm to Soup Sammich
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Some hammering this poster but at least they are trying to understand why a rule is in place. Half the casual football fans don’t know all the rules and why.
I played football, but I remember aksing the same question on here a couple of years ago.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 7:56 pm to TT
Good point TT. My guess is the rules committees didn’t see this as a safety issue since a screen pass is behind the line of scrimmage. Just my opinion....no facts to back it up.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 9:22 pm to KC Tiger
Gray Tiger was in his mid 80s when he attended the meeting to establish the rules of football
Posted on 3/30/20 at 9:31 pm to LSUBCILUVTHEM
Most of the time they let it go - just got unlucky they called it in the dome.
Can’t complain because it was the correct call, but damn.
Can’t complain because it was the correct call, but damn.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 10:41 pm to LSUBCILUVTHEM
Watch the season replays. Pay attention and you will see over 20 times we did and it didn’t get called. There will be emphasis put on it this next year IMO.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 10:47 pm to LSUBCILUVTHEM
I don’t know the origins but can you imaging passing while Your OL is pushing people 8 yards downfield?
Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:49 am to redfish99
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Watch the season replays. Pay attention and you will see over 20 times we did and it didn’t get called. There will be emphasis put on it this next year IMO.
This is exactly the reason for the question.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 8:35 am to LSUBCILUVTHEM
Linemen going upfield is a huuuge tip that the play is a running play as opposed to a pass. Without some restriction on this offenses would be completely unstoppable.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 8:40 am to ATH216
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I assume you’re talking about the first play of the National championship game? Magee was like 6 yards down field when the ball was released
I was at the game and saw Magee immediately after Burrow released the ball. While the crowd was cheering, I was cursing. LOL
Posted on 3/31/20 at 11:49 am to LSUBCILUVTHEM
Ineligible receiver downfield: an anachronism of college football. I know a word.
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