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re: SaturdaysDownSouth: "LSU Could Knock the SEC out of the Playoffs..."
Posted on 11/1/23 at 12:13 pm to Jabstep
Posted on 11/1/23 at 12:13 pm to Jabstep
quote:I used to disagree with this, but you're right. We will never need to boost our SOS...even if we play 4 OOC creampuffs. It does nothing but hurt
You’ll will never convince me going forward that there is an equal cost/benefit of playing these big week one games. It doesn’t make sense when you’re in the SEC West
2 of the years we beat the early season big time match up (2011 and 2019), we would've been number 1 even without that game
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Posted on 11/1/23 at 12:15 pm to Dotarian
frick the sec. They fricked us in 2011
Posted on 11/1/23 at 12:26 pm to Dotarian
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— Unbeaten Michigan wins the Big Ten, and earns 1 Playoff spot, leaving 1-loss Ohio State — with big resume wins over Notre Dame and Penn State — as the likely 2nd team from the Big Ten to earn a Playoff spot.
That would be utterly ridiculous after a November head to head. ND and PSU are not better wins that a hypothetical Bama/UGA/Mizzou wins
Posted on 11/1/23 at 12:27 pm to Dotarian
UGA will probably be undefeated or one loss from SECCG. No one in the east in beating them IMHO FWIW.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 12:29 pm to Dotarian
No way in hell the SEC gets left out for two Big? teams. Four undefeated teams with a two loss SEC Champ? Maybe so but Michigan and Ohio St won't both be undefeated. The SEC has won 15 of the last 20 national championships. That carries a lot of weight.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 12:32 pm to Dotarian
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What does the Rant say about this?
I say week one matchups versus top tier opponents is a stupid arse idea
Posted on 11/1/23 at 12:36 pm to Dotarian
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WTF? Okay, they'll have one less loss, but I'll put victories over Bama and Georgia against beating ND and Penn State any day this year.
Ok, what if Oregon, FSU, and Texas also win out? Who do you put LSU in over?
Posted on 11/1/23 at 1:03 pm to Chicken
LSU was #5 in the CFP poll going into the A&M game last season. 11-0 OSU was #2. 11-0 Michigan was #3. Obviously either Michigan or OSU was going to lose, and the loser was going to be left out of the Big 10 championship game.
This is what I think would have happened if LSU had beaten A&M and Georgia:
#5 LSU gets jumped by #6 USC because USC beat #15 Notre Dame. Georgia stays at #1. Michigan moves to #2. TCU moves from #4 to #3. USC goes to #4.
The discussion would have been does LSU drop down from #5, even though they won, in favor of an Ohio St team that just lost? I don't think the committee would have done that. So LSU would have stayed at #5. Ohio St. would have been #6
Championship weekend happens. #3 TCU loses. #4 USC loses. So what if #5 LSU would have beaten #1 UGA in the SECCG? In that scenario the committee would have been left with the following group of teams
12-1 Georgia (not a conf. Champ)
12-1 TCU (not a conf. champ)
13-0 Michigan (Big 10 champ)
11-1 Ohio St (not a conf or division champ)
11-2 LSU (SEC champ)
11-2 USC (not a conf. champ)
10-2 Alabama (not a conf or division champ)
10-2 Tennessee (not a conf or division champ)
Michigan would have been #1. No dispute there. After that though, what do you do with teams who all have losses? I think TCU and Georgia would have both still gotten in. Why? Because the only reason they had a loss is because they were forced to play an extra game Ohio St. didn't have to play.
That would have left the final spot to go to either LSU or Ohio St. OSU would have fewer losses. But they wouldn't be a conf. champ, or even a division champ. On the other hand, LSU would be a conf. champ. And they would have beaten Alabama and Georgia to get there. Putting OSU in would have essentially been rewarding them for NOT reaching the Big 10 championship game. And you would also have to justify dropping LSU for BEATING the No.1 team (Georgia).
No two years are alike. But in the last 6 years there have been two scenarios where a 2 loss SEC team was prime to reach the CFP...if they could have taken care of business at the end. LSU last year and Auburn in 2017. 10-2 Auburn was #2 when they played Georgia in the 2017 SECCG. Had they won, they were in the playoffs.
This is what I think would have happened if LSU had beaten A&M and Georgia:
#5 LSU gets jumped by #6 USC because USC beat #15 Notre Dame. Georgia stays at #1. Michigan moves to #2. TCU moves from #4 to #3. USC goes to #4.
The discussion would have been does LSU drop down from #5, even though they won, in favor of an Ohio St team that just lost? I don't think the committee would have done that. So LSU would have stayed at #5. Ohio St. would have been #6
Championship weekend happens. #3 TCU loses. #4 USC loses. So what if #5 LSU would have beaten #1 UGA in the SECCG? In that scenario the committee would have been left with the following group of teams
12-1 Georgia (not a conf. Champ)
12-1 TCU (not a conf. champ)
13-0 Michigan (Big 10 champ)
11-1 Ohio St (not a conf or division champ)
11-2 LSU (SEC champ)
11-2 USC (not a conf. champ)
10-2 Alabama (not a conf or division champ)
10-2 Tennessee (not a conf or division champ)
Michigan would have been #1. No dispute there. After that though, what do you do with teams who all have losses? I think TCU and Georgia would have both still gotten in. Why? Because the only reason they had a loss is because they were forced to play an extra game Ohio St. didn't have to play.
That would have left the final spot to go to either LSU or Ohio St. OSU would have fewer losses. But they wouldn't be a conf. champ, or even a division champ. On the other hand, LSU would be a conf. champ. And they would have beaten Alabama and Georgia to get there. Putting OSU in would have essentially been rewarding them for NOT reaching the Big 10 championship game. And you would also have to justify dropping LSU for BEATING the No.1 team (Georgia).
No two years are alike. But in the last 6 years there have been two scenarios where a 2 loss SEC team was prime to reach the CFP...if they could have taken care of business at the end. LSU last year and Auburn in 2017. 10-2 Auburn was #2 when they played Georgia in the 2017 SECCG. Had they won, they were in the playoffs.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 1:15 pm to Dotarian
These articles/posts are so dumb. Let the season play out. Waste of time talking about what could be. As we know from the past, the teams currently ahead of lsu currently are going to lose.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 1:18 pm to Dotarian
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What does the Rant say about this?
Posted on 11/1/23 at 1:28 pm to Dotarian
quote:
LSU Could Knock the SEC out of the Playoffs
I would laugh my arse off if this happens. Screw the SEC.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 1:31 pm to Dotarian
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WTF? Okay, they'll have one less loss, but I'll put victories over Bama and Georgia against beating ND and Penn State any day this year.
If the shoe was on the other foot and we went 11-1 and only lost to Bama but Ohio State went 11-2 in the B1G and won the B1G Championship you would be saying we should get in over Ohio State due to the record.
The record matters and although I think we can beat anyone the second loss is an issue this year with so many teams with 0 or 1 loss. I would love to play spoiler.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 1:37 pm to Dotarian
quote:No one is writing this article about Ole Miss or Missouri. Even with 2 losses, they all know who the team to beat is.
"With a month to play in the season, that doomsday scenario may seem far off. But if LSU wins out, it’s just as likely that what needs to happen to clear the deck for the SEC champion to reach the Playoff won’t happen."
Posted on 11/1/23 at 1:44 pm to LSBoosie
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Ok, what if Oregon, FSU, and Texas also win out? Who do you put LSU in over?
I think you missed the point of my OP, which was how "subjective" (or "objective") of a position does the committee take when evaluating the cumulative effort of teams vying for the playoffs.
FSU, IMO, is most likely to be the only guaranteed invitee. If Michigan wins out, they'll get the second spot.
Texas lost to OU, who lost to KU. Let that sink in for a bit.... Even if their conference champ gets in, they won't get a second team in as well.
Oregon won't win the PAC-12, even if they go undefeated for the rest of the year - that'll be Washington. They might be undefeated by then, but I think they eat at least one loss before their championship game (based on the way they've played in the last few weeks).
So, if Michigan and FSU are locks, that leaves a one (maybe two?)-loss Big-12 champ, an (expected) one-loss Pac-12 champ and a 2-loss SEC champ fighting for the last two spots.
Who else could equal beating Bama, Georgia, Mizzou, losing in the last seconds of the game to Ole Miss, and whose only big loss was to the best (or second-best) team in CFB - in their first game?
If you have to pick two of the three, I'd take LSU's resume over what I expect the other two conference champs to have by the end of the year.
Like I said in another post: your view depends on what color glasses you're wearing (mine are purple and gold). and from my position, if LSU wins out and beats #1 Georgia in the SECCG, I think their resume should equal the other contenders.
And let's not forget having the best offense in CFB along with a potential Heisman finalist (or winner) on the team.
If, somehow, everything drops right for LSU, they should definitely be a player for the #3 or #4 playoff spot. But, then again, I'm not on the committee. I'm only offering my view on the statements someone made. Just my two pennies worth, y'all.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 1:48 pm to Dotarian
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What does the Rant say about this?
Just a bullshitt clickbait story. The internet way to get people to read their story.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 1:48 pm to Dotarian
In hindsight the whole “SEC pride” thing was weird anyways (I guess you can make an argument conference strength was helpful in BCS era, didn’t help Auburn in 2004) but since Saban/Bama arrived on the scene is just dumb. If LSU doesn’t make the playoffs I don’t want any other SEC school there either.
This post was edited on 11/1/23 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 11/1/23 at 1:50 pm to Dotarian
That is why this time of the year the highest ranked teams in a conference get the most favored calls from the referees. Too much money for a conference to leave on the table. Time for the referees to not be conference aligned. End that program.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 1:52 pm to nitwit
This is why the loss at Ole Miss hurts so bad.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 1:53 pm to Dotarian
More bulletin board material from Death Valley Insider (Rivals)... I won't link it, but you can find it yourself:
Is it likely that LSU will make the playoffs? No.
Is it impossible for LSU to make the playoffs? Again, No.
All LSU can do is play the games left on the schedule. If that leads to Atlanta, then they have to beat Georgia.
The road is hard, but not impossible. It's comments like this (and the one in my OP) that should piss the Tigers off and make them play even harder.
Or not, but that's what I hope, for what it's worth LOL.
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LSU Strength: Jayden Daniels
Daniels is one of the best quarterbacks in college football. LSU may have losses to Florida State and Ole Miss, but the production from Daniels is unmatched. The 6-foot-4 senior is on pace for nearly 40 touchdowns, 4,000 passing yards, 800 rushing yards and 10 rushing scores this season. He was the engine behind a comeback from a 22-7 deficit against Missouri, when he rushed for 130 yards and a TD to go along with 259 yards and three TDs passing.
Although LSU will not be making the playoffs, Daniels is worth the recognition and Heisman hype he is receiving.
Is it likely that LSU will make the playoffs? No.
Is it impossible for LSU to make the playoffs? Again, No.
All LSU can do is play the games left on the schedule. If that leads to Atlanta, then they have to beat Georgia.
The road is hard, but not impossible. It's comments like this (and the one in my OP) that should piss the Tigers off and make them play even harder.
Or not, but that's what I hope, for what it's worth LOL.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 2:33 pm to Dotarian
quote:Haven't read the article so please excuse me if he did, but why did he not go with Ohio St winning out and Michigan having one loss? He knows that a non conference champ 1 loss Michigan doesn't have anywhere near the schedule to get the benefit of the doubt over LSU or UGA. LSU would get in over a one loss Michigan. UGA, even if their only loss was to LSU, would get in over a 1 loss Michigan.
Bonus flame: Author of the article seems to think that the B1G would get Michigan (unbeaten) and tOSU (1 loss) into the playoffs, and that tOSU would get in ahead of a 2-loss LSU SEC champ because of the "quality of their wins"....
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