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I think it's going to depend on who we hire and when we hire them.
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Why TF would or should anyone ask Scam about the LSU HC position?
I guess that puts you on the "hate him" side of the aisle.
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Arkansas and Kelly would be oil and water. If UW or MSU make a move that would be perfect, or an upper tier MAC job. If Campbell finally decided to leave ISU, or ironically Drinkwitz left Mizzou, those might be a maybe.
Maybe he could take the Tulane job when their coach gets hired away. His arrogance would fit right in with the New Orleans upper-crust twits that populate that school. Plus he's in walking distance to Bourbon Street.
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Think about it. We have an interim coach and already at 4 losses. Our expectations are pretty low. We expect to lose this game, as we should given how badly coached our guys were this season. No tears will be had if we lose.

Now, the upside. If we somehow win, with an interim coach, we get to make fun of Georgia for a long time. We will play more loose than Georgia given our season is already over and the offensive schemes are all going to change, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that Florida could win this game.

We're in a fantastic spot going into this game.
Are you sure you aren't talking about LSU vs. Bama next week?
I'll bite - because, even if they wanted to, they're not pulling a UGA alum coaching in his prime at a school that loves him for any amount of money.
Dear God no. Just no. NO.

Gus made his bones on the back of a few good players, not on the strength of his coaching skills.

I wouldn't even want him as an OC.
What makes you think that Kelly couldn't demote Nuss?
Wow, much better than just reading the text summary.
His opinion on the LSU coaching job is spot on:

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Cam Newton sends warning message to LSU's next head coach

"Mediocre coaching will not be tolerated. You must understand that. So anybody who wants to insert their resume for a potential job interview, you must understand if you don't have intentions to win...do not take that job," Newton said. "Brian Kelly's demeanor ever since walking into the Bayou State has always been a little laxed. That's not what SEC represents, especially when you look at the likes of a Nick Saban, Ed Orgeron, and Les Miles. They had attitude, their teams were violent and they stood on something. So the next person who thinks about coaching LSU, or any Tier 1 team in the SEC, you can't play around. You have to be intentional and you have to win fast."


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He's the perfect example of a coach that was unwilling to adapt to the modern CFB landscape, and his current team is the result of that intransigence.
Maybe that's just because of the Culture he's built at Clemson? Maybe in a new environment with resources like he would have at LSU he'd embrace the new NIL world...
I disagree based on the premise of the argument. You're suggesting we need a "proven winner" coach, with the proof being his record of past achievements. Those achievements are based in the culture, recruiting process and coaching structure he built at Clemson.

If you're saying that he could change in a new environment, he wouldn't be the same coach, so he's as much of a crapshoot as any other we could pick (and likely worse).

Again, no thanks. At a minimum I'd like us to hire someone who's shown an ability to build and coach a good team in the current environment. If that's a coach with a long history that could change when needed (like Saban did), then fine; 'll take it and be happy.

But I don't want us to hire a "proven" coach that hasn't shown any ability (or willingness) to keep up with the game as it is and where it's going. Dabo has already shown that he was unwilling to change when needed, and his team is suffering for it now.
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Those who say no to Dabo obviously haven't looked at the man's ACC and National Championships. We can never get him but we would be lucky if we could. Say what you want but you can't question his credentials.
I disagree. He's the perfect example of a coach that was unwilling to adapt to the modern CFB landscape, and his current team is the result of that intransigence.

He had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the NIL/portal world. Maybe he will successfully adapt, maybe not. But his unwillingness to change until forced doesn't bode well for the future if things change further. Regardless of his past achievements, if he's not willing (or unable) to change when necessary then he's roadkill for those that CAN change.

Just like Les, when having a badass running offense no longer worked and he refused to change.

We need a coach that has more than a demonstrated ability to coach winning teams in the past - we need someone with the vision and flexibility to navigate the current and likely future CFB environment - and the turbulence that will probably continue.

Just my opinion.
We're rebuilding, and that's going to take more than one year. I'd rather trade down for more draft capital, build other areas of the team and hire a veteran QB until the 2027/2028 draft.

After mortgaging the team's soul for the last few years with Brees through Carr, I expected a rebuild to take 2-3 years once we actually started.
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The best coach is the one who can put together the best roster, the rest makes marginal difference.
I disagree.

Exhibit 1: Jimbo's #1 recruiting class. Max talent that feel apart because of bad coaching and poor team management.

Exhibit 2: 2023 and 2025 LSU. Talent galore that should have gotten them into the playoffs, only to fall apart because of crappy coordinators and BK's refusal to make needed changes.

Exhibit 3: any number of teams like Vandy, IU and GT with coaches that get less talented teams to over perform through excellent coaching.

In today's CFB where everyone can hire good players, coaching is more important than ever. And IMO simply relying on "LSU recruits itself" is dead in the age of NIL and a recipe for failure.
Good Lord no. I think (hope?) your joking.

Seriously, though, we need a coach who understands and can adapt to the modern CFB landscape.

Dabo wouldn't even sniff the portal until last year, and was overly zealous with recruits with his "my way it the highway" mentality.

You're seeing how well Dabo can coach in today's environment by looking at their record. He refused to make any change in his approach until it was too late.

If there's one coach who did less with more than Kelly, it's Dabo.

No thanks
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The most insane part of all this is all the people in our fanbase who want yet another "proven coach" who is obviously past their prime, like Gruden or Urban Meyer. Either one of those hires would probably play out like Belichick did for UNC.
Agreed.
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every coaching hire is a crapshoot
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Talent is talent and quality is really all that matters. Get it wherever it is.
I completely agree, but I also believe that old proverb about luck occurring when preparation meets opportunity.

2019 may be the outlier, but in general it applies. Lack of preparation is what we got when Kelly squandered the 2023 and, possibly, 2025 teams with CFP talent. Talent alone doesn't cut the mustard any more unless you catch lightning in a bottle.

I'd rather we control the things that we CAN control - like hiring a coach capable of building a successful team in the modern CFB environment. That gives us a better than middling chance at success even with "meh" rosters - and engages the warp drive when we have a top-flight roster.

So, not sure where you were going, but I'd rather not lay back on that old saw of "LSU recruits itself" and depend on talent to get us through dumbshit coaching. That may have worked even as recently as 2019, but today even middling schools can buy good players in the portal.

Cheers, mate, just how I feel right now.
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Your thread title stinks and is a bit too negative but your analysis is true. We need to hire someone that is capable of managing LSU in this new era.
If I sound negative it's because I'm not sure the LSU decision-makers will look at modern reality when making the next hire, and will instead reach for another "known-good" (IT term) coach that may or may not be suited for today's game.

As for my title stinking, it's pretty accurate from where I sit, so :spank:
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I saw him in Norman this weekend with a D3 QB and a terrible defense.
To be fair, that "D3 QB" was actually QB1 on a Ferris team that won their division's national championship, so....
With changes to the portal, NIL, and conference realignment the game has changed significantly in just a few years. And I, for one, am not convinced that the big names being thrown around as potential hires are as good as we think they are in this new reality.

For example: I've been in IT for over 40 years. For most of that time, it's been a solid career field and a CS degree would more likely than not net you a good job. But in just the last few years the entire IT world has changed. Now with AI, "vibe coding", and a host of relatively recent changes the IT world has been flipped on its head. Kids who put 4 years into a CS degree can't find a job now (screw any political diatribes, that's just fact based on the industry trends). People who were absolute stud IT knowledge workers are now getting "retired" in favor of kids who don't know how to code or configure a network, but they ARE good at asking ChatGPT how to do it.

Do I like it? Hell no, but I'm also not going to deny reality.

Same perspective is needed here. We need to look beyond the big names being thrown around and find someone who has a solid grasp of the modern game. Is that someone like Kiffen? Maybe, maybe not. But I for one think we need to get past the "we need a proven HC to hire" because that proof may be outdated in the modern CFB landscape. Criteria to select a new coach needs to account for CFB as it is, not as it was.

Just my opinion, folks. But at this point we all deserve better than going back to the same well for another mug of the shite we've been drinking for six years.