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re: More criticism of Aranda

Posted on 9/13/19 at 9:54 am to
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 9:54 am to
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and out of position players)


Did we watch the same game?
Posted by RB10
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 9:58 am to
Yeah I read your analysis. It was laughable.

LSU dropped the Lbs into the deep middle while also spying Ehlinger. This allowed them to keep him somewhat contained on the ground, and forced him to make nearly perfect throws between them and the safeties. He did just that and he deserves credit for it.

Had LSU blitzed all night and ehlinger rushed for 150+, you’d still be bitching about the scheme, and you’d still be wrong.
Posted by Srobi14
South Florida
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 9:58 am to
I think so, Texas scored on every drive in the second half, it seemed like guys were out of position or they are coached to be in dumb positions.
Posted by RB10
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 9:59 am to
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Agreed, but my criticism is real. I dont want him run out of town, but at least be in the Top 10 or Top 20 at the very least.




LSU’s defense has been top 10 in S&P+ every year Aranda has been here. They’ve finished outside the top 20 in scoring once, and they finished 26th.

So, what is it you’re bitching about again?
Posted by RB10
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 10:00 am to
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I think so, Texas scored on every drive in the second half, it seemed like guys were out of position or they are coached to be in dumb positions.


I’m starting to question whether or not you even watched the game. Did you see how many missed tackles LSU had? Here’s a newsflash for you, you don’t miss that many by being out of position.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 10:01 am to
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it seemed like guys were out of position


Again, did we watch the same game?
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or they are coached to be in dumb positions.


You're proving my low IQ post right at least.
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 10:01 am to
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Had LSU blitzed all night and ehlinger rushed for 150+, you’d still be bitching about the scheme, and you’d still be wrong.


This.

It also bears repeating that TWO LSU defenders were within 3 inches of knocking down one TD pass, and Fulton stumbled on another. Absent those 2 plays, the score would’ve been 45-24.
This post was edited on 9/13/19 at 10:02 am
Posted by Fat Bastard
alter hunter
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 10:01 am to
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Yeah I'm generally not a huge fan of his either.




nor I but facts are facts

people will downvote you for posting FACTS! they cannot handle the truth
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 10:02 am to
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people will downvote you for posting FACTS! they cannot handle the truth


What truth do you think is being posted here?
Posted by DVinBR
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 10:02 am to
77 POINTS

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Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 10:03 am to
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Top 10 at least as we were in the past on a consistent basis.


Expecting that every year is unrealistic, the last time we finished top 10 in back to back years was 2005-2006. We weren't top 10 in 2007 when we won the National Title. In Aranda's 3 years at LSU
2016 : 5th ppg 10th in yards
2017 : 14th and 12th
2018 26 and 26

so his worst year was still top 20% and that year we finished #6, so sorry, i don't think your criticism is a not very good one.
Posted by Srobi14
South Florida
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 10:03 am to
There are ways to contain the qb with pressure, twist contain ect. Usually you spy closer to the qb and when you get an open lane you attack /make a play on him. These guys put themselves out of the play, I dont know why it would be laughable to have a critique of putting 2 players in the middle of the field with eyes on qb that mad no influence plays. The whole point of offensive football strategy is to get numbers and if you have 2 guys out of the play on defense you have lost already IMO.
Posted by ThePaleHorse
Houston
Member since Jul 2011
807 posts
Posted on 9/13/19 at 10:04 am to
We couldnt stop A&M when it counted. We need to be able to get a stop when we need it to close out a game. And we couldnt.

For the money, this isnt a top tier defense. Should be , but it isnt. This is not an indictment, just a criticism. I dont understand why all the protection of Aranda. He needs to be held to a standard to....thats all it is. Our defense is plain and simply not as good as 30-40 other defenses...and for 2.5 it should be as good or better.
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
My homestead, AL
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 10:05 am to
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There are ways to contain the qb with pressure, twist contain ect. Usually you spy closer to the qb and when you get an open lane you attack /make a play on him. These guys put themselves out of the play, I dont know why it would be laughable to have a critique of putting 2 players in the middle of the field with eyes on qb that mad no influence plays. The whole point of offensive football strategy is to get numbers and if you have 2 guys out of the play on defense you have lost already IMO.


Orgeron publicly disagreed with you.
Posted by Srobi14
South Florida
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 10:05 am to
on which point?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 10:05 am to
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We couldnt stop A&M when it counted


One drive in regulation

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We need to be able to get a stop when we need it to close out a game. And we couldnt.


We did if the refs don't frick up. Regardless, you've now shifted the goal posts top one drive.
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Our defense is plain and simply not as good as 30-40 other defenses


Based on...
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 10:06 am to
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There are ways to contain the qb with pressure, twist contain ect. Usually you spy closer to the qb and when you get an open lane you attack /make a play on him.


If they spied closer to the QB they would have left more room for the receivers to operate between them and the safeties. This would have made it even easier for Ehlinger.

That’s a genius suggestion.

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These guys put themselves out of the play, I dont know why it would be laughable to have a critique of putting 2 players in the middle of the field with eyes on qb that mad no influence plays. The whole point of offensive football strategy is to get numbers and if you have 2 guys out of the play on defense you have lost already IMO.


So your analysis is to put them closer to the LOS leaving the intermediate to deep middle even more open.

Solid work.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
26134 posts
Posted on 9/13/19 at 10:07 am to
Unless he really steps up, I think Kary Vincent may be unplayable. He hasn't ever really tackled and his coverage hasn't been great. He has many physical skills such as speed, but I'm not sure he has football instincts that let him capitalize on it. I think coaching has failed him in some respect as well. Our nickelback has been a weakness for awhile. Dave needs to get it solved.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
68365 posts
Posted on 9/13/19 at 10:07 am to
Anyone with any sort of football knowledge saw how badly Aranda was outschemed against Texas.

Herman countered the shite out of Aranda and it worked repeatedly. That should not happen. Thankfully Texas’ RB can’t catch a cold.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
52173 posts
Posted on 9/13/19 at 10:07 am to
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Our defense is plain and simply not as good as 30-40 other defenses...and for 2.5 it should be as good or better.


Literally every metric disagrees with you, unless you’re making this declaration after 1 game. So, there’s that.
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