re: LSU MBB Basketball Talk (in general) with Philips/Miller out (and others) - Wright/Cook in

This year is McMahon’s last chance to show any improvement.

Our roster next year should be better than the one we had if we land Baker and Abram.

I’m on the same page as you, we should be a competitive team that finishes around middle of the pack in the SEC and can compete for a NIT spot.

If we have a similar season they need to pull the plug on McMahon

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Why is it that you apologists always say that we want a great team. Sure that would be nice but there is so much distance between that and last year's team that it is not even a consideration. What would I and most critics want? How about a competitive team that at least has a chance to win every game but will still lose quite a few. You know, a team that the game isn't over in the first five minutes. Maybe a team that can win six SEC games and have an overall winning season, possibly even go to the NIT. All those things would be quite nice but are still a long way from a "great" team

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The problem is that you wanted all that and more from day 1. And I bet you still bitch if we get 6 SEC wins no matter what you say now.

This year we should better our conference record but not do as well OOC due to a tougher schedule.

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The problem is that you wanted all that and more from day 1.

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B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T

The expectations going into the season were the lowest in 6 years. And those expecations were largely in line with the national outlook for the team. That was to finish somewhere in the middle of the SEC and, if everything broke right, MAYBE compete for a NCAA Tournament bid. But no one EXPECTED a NCAA Tournament appearance. Those expectations were based upon a relatively highly rated recruiting/transfer class coupled with a HC who was coming off a 30 win season at his prior school. In a few weeks/months this year's incoming transfer/recruiting class will be finalized and ranked. And it is entirely likely last year's class will have been ranked higher.

If we are being honest, the majority of LSU fans had a lower expectation level than even the national outlook. What we got was a team that fell pathetically short of meeting even those already low expectations. TWO (2) SEC wins...16 losses, most of those uncompetitive....tied for the worst ever in program history. To say the frustration/apathy that arose from last season was simply a byproduct of unrealistic expectations is absurd.

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And I bet you still bitch if we get 6 SEC wins no matter what you say now

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If LSU only gets 6 SEC wins next season then yes, a serious discussion about moving on from McMahon should be had. That's because 6 wins would STILL likely put LSU in the bottom 1/3rd of the league (like Georgia was at 6-12 this season). Like it or not. "Fair" or not, it has NEVER been easier to "rebuild" a team. Massive turnarounds can happen literally in the span of one season. If after two years McMahon has proven he's nowhere near making LSU a winning program then one has to ask "why are we wasting time with this?".

The mindset of it takes time to slowly build a program is antiquated, outdated, and just flat out wrong. Why? Because it is very likely McMahon is going to have to turnover his roster again with several new players following next season. That is simply the landscape of college basketball today. Expecting to gradually build with players developing over the course of 3, 4, 5 years is not going happen. The players won't stay long enough to do so. Hell, McMahon signed 4 HS players just last season. Two have already left after one season.

barring some unforeseen transfers in this roster is no better than last year's maybe even worse. The only way this team gets to even 8 SEC wins is if the SEC is WAY down or the 2 touted freshman recruits for last year step up big time. Otherwise we are looking at 5-7 win SEC team at best.

It would take $11.8 million to can CMM after the 2023-24 season.

IMO, MM will get at least 3 years and probably 4 regardless of record. And, yes, that would suck.

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"Talking points” aka facts. McMild stinks on the recruiting trail. Why is this so hard for you McMen to comprehend? Dude is low energy and will never be able to compete in this league

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Do you really not comprehend how cringe-inducing this post is?

So MM get Jalen Cook and Jordan Wright to come here even though most of the MM haters, and that's what you are, said no one would come to this s**t show. PG is THE most important player and we did not have an SEC caliber PG last year. He signed who he could sign so let's just put that one to rest. This team should be better just because of that. Wright is a scorer not just a shooter and is a physical defender. If Ward and Reid continue to improve and Fountain can give them more consistent play then he may bring in a few more pieces to complete the team. I do also expect some improvement this year. More importantly I expect improvement throughout the year. I'm not putting a number on it but with an SEC PG and a more consistent 2 guard I think we win 5-6 more games last year.

Projected starters? Assume Wright and Cook are 2.

Nah it’d be cook, Stewart, Wright, fountain and baker

If nothing at least he’s got a couple kids who can make an open jumper now