Posted by
Message
Big Scrub TX
LSU Fan
Member since Dec 2013
27902 posts

re: Joe Burrow v. Pat Mahomes
quote:

Joe Burrow plays extremely similar to Pat Mahomes except that Mahomes has generational arm talent.
Yet last night he threw tons of balls way too short.


bobad
LSU Fan
Eunice, LA
Member since Aug 2007
386 posts

I like the way Mahomes has a cannon arm but takes velocity off the ball when appropriate. Mahomes doesn't hit his receivers in stride as well as Burrow. It's amazing to watch a college QB that knows the skill and importance of hitting his receivers in stride.


Buckeye Jeaux
LSU Fan
Member since May 2018
17756 posts

quote:

It would be disingenuous to not admit that Burrow had NFL talent all around him while Mahomes had none.

Even more disingenuous not to admit that Mahomes threw against shite Big-12 defenses (Burrow hung 7 pass TD's on the Okies D). And, Mahomes was 13-19 as a starting QB at Texas Tech.

Good NFL QB? Sure. Generational arm talent? Nah.


SammyTiger
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
54974 posts

quote:

Even more disingenuous not to admit that Mahomes threw against shite Big-12 defenses (Burrow hung 7 pass TD's on the Okies D). And, Mahomes was 13-19 as a starting QB at Texas Tech.


He isn’t throwing against shitty Big 12 defenses now.

quote:

Good NFL QB? Sure. Generational arm talent? Nah.


I think The word Generational gets thrown around a lot, but Mahomes has a huge fricking arm, is very accurate and has good touché when he needs it. Playing against Big 12 defenses in college doesn’t really factor into that.

It’s a really ducking big arm, and it helps him make throws a lot of QBs can’t. Nope you can have that kind of arm talent and be a shitty QB. Jamarcus Russell could make every throw, throw with touch and all that. It was the brain his arm was attached to that was the issue.

So I’ll take Joe’s Arm and Brain over most QBs. But It’s dumb and unnecessary to try and knock down Mahomes who in 2 years as a starter won an MVP award and then a Super Bowl.
This post was edited on 2/3 at 3:14 pm


Buckeye Jeaux
LSU Fan
Member since May 2018
17756 posts

quote:

Playing against Big 12 defenses in college doesn’t really factor into that.
Says who?

Mahomes had 2 TDs and 2 INTs against the 49ers. Good NFL QB? Yes. Best thing since sliced bread? No.
This post was edited on 2/3 at 3:24 pm


SammyTiger
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
54974 posts

It’s objective

It’s like pitching 101 mph is 101 MPH no matter who the batter is.

You can also have a bad game with great arm talent.

The guy can throw a football a country mile against air or NFL teams defenders.
This post was edited on 2/3 at 3:21 pm


Buckeye Jeaux
LSU Fan
Member since May 2018
17756 posts

quote:

It’s like pitching 101 mph is 101 MPH no matter who the batter is.

The guy can throw a football a country mile against air or NFL teams defenders.
He throws hard. Yipee! But he's not in a class above Joe Burrow.


Bayou_Tiger_225
LSU Fan
Third Earth
Member since Mar 2016
7694 posts

I'm not saying that Mahomes didn't throw against shitty defenses. I'm saying he threw against shitty defenses while playing with a bunch of shitty players.

I mean the second best player on offense his junior year was Jonathan Giles


Buckeye Jeaux
LSU Fan
Member since May 2018
17756 posts

This thread is a not-so-subtle Burrow bash. Unless you are admitting that Mahomes is NOT more skilled, overall, than Joe Burrow [I'll stipulate that Mahomes chooses to throw harder]


NattyTiger19
LSU Fan
Sugar Bowl
Member since Jan 2020
924 posts

quote:

What
Mahomes ran a 4.8 at the combine. You think Burrow is going to run significantly faster than that?



So you think Patrick Mahomes is an astronomically far better QB relative to Joe Burrow and that Joe Burrow doesn't have a prayer in hell of being as good as Patrick Mahomes after a couple of years in the league. Okay, you're entitled to your very dumb opinion.

However, I think you are quite wrong. As when I watch both of them play, Burrow to me appears to be quite significantly faster relative to Mahomes. At least according to my eyes and it's quite noticeable as well, if not to your eyes, but to my eyes, Burrow is obviously faster and a little quicker relative to Mahomes

Furthermore, the throws I have watched Burrow make on the run this season were also more accurate relative to the throws I have watched Mahomes make on the run this season.

Moreover, I know Mahomes ran a 4.8 in the forty at the combine. However, Joe Burrow says he runs a 4.6 in the forty on a good day.

Indeed, I have heard him say exactly that on two separate occasions. Is not 4.6 significantly better than 4.8 in the forty? Maybe not in your book, but in my book it most definitely is and it's also quite noticeable on the field at least it is to me if not to you.

Anyway, don't take my word for it, here, go listen to Joe Burrow himself say it by clicking on the following link and fast-forwarding to the 5:30 mark on the video.


LINK

Just because Joe Burrow hasn't played a down in the NFL yet doesn't mean he won't be as good as Patrick Mahomes or even better. I happen to think he will be significantly better than Patrick Mahomes in the NFL. In fact, his college career at least was very significantly better than Patrick Mahome's college career. Not to mention that Joe Burrow is the projected first draft pick in this springs upcoming NFL draft. While Mahomes was the 10th pick in his draft.

Indeed, just cause someone has NFL experience doesn't automatically make them better. That's ridiculous.



GetmorewithLes
LSU Fan
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
15410 posts

quote:

Anyone else notice the similar playing styles Between these 2 QBs, incredible ability to extend plays and the accuracy while throwing on the run.



I felt the same way but I believe that it had to do with KC running a very similar offense. After watching Mahomes win it I said to myself that Burrow could do that too if he gets on a team with enough talent and coaches who follow that scheme or philosophy


Replies (0)
Replies (0)
11
kkv75
Member since Sep 2017
3652 posts

You are an idiot.


Replies (0)
Replies (0)
22
Bayou_Tiger_225
LSU Fan
Third Earth
Member since Mar 2016
7694 posts

quote:

This thread is a not-so-subtle Burrow bash.
Of course you think this thread is a Burrow bash. You think anyone with the slightest critique of Burrow is bashing him.

Burrow is the Goat college QB. I'm not disputing that. But there are people in this thread that are thinking he's significantly better than the guy who won an NFL MVP one year and won his team a Super Bowl the next.
quote:

I'll stipulate that Mahomes chooses to throw harder]
solid troll


Replies (0)
Replies (0)
11
Bayou_Tiger_225
LSU Fan
Third Earth
Member since Mar 2016
7694 posts

quote:

So you think Patrick Mahomes is an astronomically far better QB relative to Joe Burrow and that Joe Burrow doesn't have a prayer in hell of being as good as Patrick Mahomes after a couple of years in the league
Got a link to where I said anything close to this? All I said was that if I was making a team, I'd go with the guy who has proven he can succeed at the highest level over the guy with one great year in college. Even if it was the greatest year ever.
quote:

As when I watch both of them play, Burrow to me appears to be quite significantly faster relative to Mahomes. At least according to my eyes
Ohh watch out. The guy with a week old account is actually an expert in disguise.
quote:

Indeed, just cause someone has NFL experience doesn't automatically make them better. That's ridiculous.

And just because someone had a better college career doesn't automatically mean their NFL career is also going to be better... That's equally as ridiculous.

But yes, not wanting to say that Burrow will be significantly better than the guy who won an NFL MVP one year and a Super Bowl the next is a dumbass take.
This post was edited on 2/3 at 4:18 pm


Madking
LSU Fan
Member since Apr 2016
34662 posts

If you think Burrow will be able to hold the ball and scramble in the NFL the way he did for us you’re in for a surprise. Burrow’s scrambling ability is a lot more Montana than Mahomes.


CnAzInCA
LSU Fan
Dallas, Texas
Member since Jan 2014
568 posts

I was surprised that on ESPN radio Burrow said he expected to run around a 4.6 forty at the combine. That would be faster than I thought he was, but he is 6’4”, so maybe his stride is deceiving.


GoatBurrow
LSU Fan
Member since Dec 2019
165 posts

My point is that Trubisky was taken 2nd overal and Mahomes was 10th. Nobody knew Pat would be this damn good. Otherwise they would’ve taken Pat 2nd. If somebody told you three years ago that he would have a ring this year, so of you same idiots would be saying what you’re saying right now about Burrow. He could exceed everything Mahomes has done. Bottom line, you don’t know how good Joe will be but video evidence shows how similar their playing styles are


Replies (0)
Replies (0)
12
TBoy
Notre Dame Fan
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
19311 posts

Burrow consistently made throws this year that Mahomes had difficulty with yesterday.


Madking
LSU Fan
Member since Apr 2016
34662 posts

Just saw on a pre-draft website he’s projected at 4.83. But like you said he’s a strider not a quick footed guy so his speed comes after a few steps. The point I was making is that he won’t have 6-8 seconds to drift and extend plays like he did for us in the NFL. His scrambles will come mostly up the middle when holes open. He’s not gonna roll outside and beat teams to the corner the way Mahomes can. He’s mobile enough and he knows when to take off. Like always Burrows weapons are mostly between his ears but for a QB that puts him ahead of even most NFL guys.


Replies (0)
Replies (0)
21
CaptainPanic
South Alabama Fan
18.44311,-64.764021
Member since Sep 2011
25582 posts

It’s almost as if Mahommes was playing against a better defense than a college QB normally does.


first pageprev pagePage 3 of 9next pagelast page

Back to top

logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitterInstagram