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re: Joe Burrow v. Pat Mahomes
Posted on 2/4/20 at 6:43 am to GoatBurrow
Posted on 2/4/20 at 6:43 am to GoatBurrow
quote:
Anyone else notice the similar playing styles Between these 2 QBs, incredible ability to extend plays and the accuracy while throwing on the run.
Completely different type of player. Yes, while both have similar height and weight and like to extend plays outside the pocket, that's really the only comparables. Mahomes has a CANNON, I mean a straight cannon. I watched this guy for three years at Texas Tech. Saw almost every game from his sophomore and junior year (really wanted him to be a Steeler). He throws passes at all different angles, off all different types of throwing platforms, across his body from one side of the field to the other, sidearms, no looks, etc. All kinds of crazy stuff that you're not supposed to do. Burrow's much more technically sound and knows he doesn't have the arm strength to attempt passes like that.
Burrow reminds me of a younger, Rodgers when he used to scramble and throw on the run a lot. He does have a weaker arm than Rodgers, but his arm isn't weak itself.
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Posted on 2/4/20 at 7:29 am to Datbayoubengal
quote:That CANNON stuff used to be the primary attribute desired for QBs in old-school offenses. Needed to throw bullets to all points on the field.
Mahomes has a CANNON, I mean a straight cannon.
But Montana was the model for Brees and Brady. And Brees was the model for Burrow. (And Unitas was the model for Montana.)
Reading defenses, and the ability to throw with timing and touch is far more important in modern Spread offenses. Burrow can fire it when he needs to. But he rarely needs to.
This post was edited on 2/4/20 at 7:46 am
Posted on 2/4/20 at 7:39 am to GoatBurrow
Yes,Yes,Yes I mentioned this a month ago and got laughed off the board. Similar traits to he sure. In similar systems Burrow WILL Excel big time. He will be in the same conversation with Mahomes.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 8:29 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Having a stronger arm was more important in the past. You are right. It isn't as important now.
None of that takes away from the fact that Mahomes has a stronger arm than Burrow. So does Aaron Rodgers. So did Brett Favre. So did countless other NFL quarterbacks. Does that mean Burrow cannot be as good or better than them? Absolutely not. I just find it interesting that you scoff at the idea of Burrow's arm not being as strong as Mahomes. You can be the goat and not be the best at everything. Drew Brees has more touchdown passes than everyone else and he never had a super strong arm. Tom Brady has more championships than everyone else and he never had a super strong arm. No one is trying to say that one metric makes a QB better than another. But you just can't let it go.
None of that takes away from the fact that Mahomes has a stronger arm than Burrow. So does Aaron Rodgers. So did Brett Favre. So did countless other NFL quarterbacks. Does that mean Burrow cannot be as good or better than them? Absolutely not. I just find it interesting that you scoff at the idea of Burrow's arm not being as strong as Mahomes. You can be the goat and not be the best at everything. Drew Brees has more touchdown passes than everyone else and he never had a super strong arm. Tom Brady has more championships than everyone else and he never had a super strong arm. No one is trying to say that one metric makes a QB better than another. But you just can't let it go.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 9:06 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
quote:You've bought in to an old media narrative from Ohio State beat writers - i.e. that Haskins had a much stronger arm than Burrow. He doesn't, and never did. And you can't let that go.
No one is trying to say that one metric makes a QB better than another. But you just can't let it go.
I don't know for certain if Mahomes or Burrow has the stronger arm and neither do you.
I once played a round of golf with a PGA pro and an ex-Iowa O Tackle. The tackle commented on what iron the pro was hitting over and over. Conversation went like this:
OT: FIVE iron? I'm hitting a 9.
OT: Eight iron, I'm hitting sand wedge, etc and etc.
Finally the pro said, "I choose to hit a 8 iron for distance control. But I can hit that green with every club in my bag - and twice as often as you can with your sand wedge - and I'll include my driver and my putter."
Then the PGA pro said, "We'll go for $1000, I'll take your I.O.U." The OT quickly STFU.
Bottom line: Burrow can fire cannon balls when he chooses to. He rarely chooses to. That's not his game.
This post was edited on 2/4/20 at 9:33 am
Posted on 2/4/20 at 9:32 am to GoatBurrow
After watching Burrow last year, it's hard to not compare him to every successful QB you see. Y'all ease up on the man. It's euphoria, let it breathe.
This post was edited on 2/4/20 at 9:33 am
Posted on 2/4/20 at 9:58 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:
I don't know for certain if Mahomes or Burrow has the stronger arm and neither do you.
I do. Mahomes was throwing 80+ yard passes the in pre game warm ups at Denver.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 10:04 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:
You've bought in to an old media narrative from Ohio State beat writers - i.e. that Haskins had a much stronger arm than Burrow. He doesn't, and never did. And you can't let that go.
I have never brought up Haskins and I'm not buying into an old narrative. Mahomes threw mid 90s fastballs in high school before switching full time to Football. He threw the football 60 mph at the combine. Twitter link to 60 mph
It is whats it is. Mahomes at 60 mph was tied for the fastest at the combine since the record started being kept in 2008. And no one is saying Burrow has a noodle arm. People are just saying he doesn't have THAT type of arm.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 10:05 am to NattyTiger19
Stop it I love burrow but cmon mahomes is a once in a generational talent. We haven’t seen a qb with his package of skills since maybe prime Rodgers his arm is even stronger than Aaron’s and he has much better intangibles
Posted on 2/4/20 at 10:06 am to NattyTiger19
He is not more accurate than mahomes on the run Jesus how homerish ppl on here sound be honest
Posted on 2/4/20 at 10:10 am to TBoy
He played the niners defense the best defense in the NFL wth is wrong With ppl on here the NFL is another animal than college I think burrow will be a superstar but Patrick mahomes objectivrly Is the face of the nfl it isn’t even close
Posted on 2/4/20 at 10:12 am to HoldThatTiger2511
The homerism on this website is cringe worthy idk how people can’t see the obvious. Burrow has a significant weaker arm than mahomes doesn’t mean burrow has a weak arm he actually has a pretty strong one mahomes has an elway/ favre level cannon tho
Posted on 2/4/20 at 10:22 am to Lester Earl
Yup, thats why I made the comparison.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 10:28 am to Madking
A blind man could see Burrow burning linebackers and safeties for the past two seasons.
Go back and watch the Georgia game for the last two seasons. Burrow was literally leaving guys in his dust getting to the sticks. He bust one up the middle too in the natty.
Cam isnt that fast, he ran a 4.59. Several Qb’s are faster than Cam in the NFL.
And get the frick outta here, Joe isnt gonna run a 4.9. He runs no less that a 4.6 or low 4.7.
Joe isnt a liar. He knows how fast he is. If he says he’s gonna run a 4.6 he isnt bullshitting. Why would he lie?
You fricking suck dude. Talking about an idiot bubble.
Go back and watch the Georgia game for the last two seasons. Burrow was literally leaving guys in his dust getting to the sticks. He bust one up the middle too in the natty.
Cam isnt that fast, he ran a 4.59. Several Qb’s are faster than Cam in the NFL.
And get the frick outta here, Joe isnt gonna run a 4.9. He runs no less that a 4.6 or low 4.7.
Joe isnt a liar. He knows how fast he is. If he says he’s gonna run a 4.6 he isnt bullshitting. Why would he lie?
You fricking suck dude. Talking about an idiot bubble.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 10:46 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
Brady threw it 61 mph. He can fire it when he needs to. He rarely needs to.
Josh Allen threw it 62.
NFL.com LINK
Josh Allen threw it 62.
NFL.com LINK
Posted on 2/4/20 at 10:51 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Your same link says Mahomes also threw it 62.
So until you can provide some actual data
Mahomes > Burrow when it comes to arm strength.
So until you can provide some actual data
Mahomes > Burrow when it comes to arm strength.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 11:24 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
quote:You are missing an essential element of the equation. Burrow hasn't recorded a radar gun result.
Your same link says Mahomes also threw it 62.
So until you can provide some actual data
Mahomes > Burrow when it comes to arm strength.
BTW, it says that Josh Allen also threw 62 mph. Whippity shite/
Posted on 2/4/20 at 11:27 am to Ted_Stryker
quote:
Did you notice that Hill runs after he catches the ball, just like Justin Jefferson?
Posted on 2/4/20 at 11:46 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:Why are you acting like that helps your argument? I provided verified numbers showing Mahomes has one of the strongest arms in the NFL. You have nothing to show for Burrow yet claim the same.
You are missing an essential element of the equation. Burrow hasn't recorded a radar gun result.
quote:And Allen is widely regarded as having one of the strongest arms in the NFL. His arm strength was his best attribute going into the NFL draft. It's what allowed him to rocket up the draft board despite playing for Wyoming.
BTW, it says that Josh Allen also threw 62 mph. Whippity shite/
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