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re: Its 2019 You got Joe Burrow but No Chase, Jefferson, or Marshall
Posted on 7/21/23 at 8:01 am to Curtis Lowe
Posted on 7/21/23 at 8:01 am to Curtis Lowe
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I think the better question would be, could Burrow have won the 2019 championship with the second string WR group of McMath, Sullivan and Dillon?
Hard No.
The synergy of Burrow and those 3 WRs (esp Chase and JJ) is what made that offense go. Tons of broken plays where Burrow and the WRs were on the same page playing backyard football scramble drills.
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Posted on 7/21/23 at 8:10 am to SlowFlowPro
What’s crazy is as great as Chase and Jefferson was, Burrow may have had the most synergy with Marshall before he got injured, because Marshall was leading all WRs in TDs and receiving yards pre injury I think.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 8:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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The synergy of Burrow and those 3 WRs (esp Chase and JJ) is what made that offense go. Tons of broken plays where Burrow and the WRs were on the same page playing backyard football scramble drills.
So, that synergy could not have developed between the second string WRs and Burrow, if as in the hypothetical the first string did not exist? Even if the second string and Burrow spent all of spring ball, the summer of 2019 and fall camp of 2019 working together?
Posted on 7/21/23 at 8:44 am to Curtis Lowe
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So, that synergy could not have developed between the second string WRs and Burrow, if as in the hypothetical the first string did not exist?
At no point have any of those guys shown that ability in the mental game of the WR position.
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Even if the second string and Burrow spent all of spring ball, the summer of 2019 and fall camp of 2019 working together?
It's not about the work with the individual players. It's the overall talent of the individual players.
JJ and Chase were special, historic CFB WRs. All time greats. That's why they went into the NFL and dominated from day 1. They see the game on another level from your typical WR (CFB or NFL).
Posted on 7/21/23 at 8:54 am to FLBooGoTigs1
OBJ
Landry
Bowe
Landry
Bowe
Posted on 7/21/23 at 9:01 am to FLBooGoTigs1
Josh Reed
Jarvis Laundry
DJ Chark
Jarvis Laundry
DJ Chark
Posted on 7/21/23 at 9:16 am to FLBooGoTigs1
OBJ, Landry, Devery Henderson. Landry in the slot with Burrow's accuracy, and OBJ and Henderson's ability to take the top off the defense would destroy everyone.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 9:17 am to FLBooGoTigs1
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Its 2019 You got Joe Burrow but No Chase, Jefferson, or Marshall
Bowe, OBJ, Josh Reed.
Was very difficult to not put Michael Clayton on that list.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 9:20 am to FLBooGoTigs1
Reed
Bowe
Kennison
Honorable mention:
Mike Clayton
Jarvis
ODB
Bowe
Kennison
Honorable mention:
Mike Clayton
Jarvis
ODB
Posted on 7/21/23 at 9:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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At no point have any of those guys shown that ability in the mental game of the WR position.
Several of McMath's catches from Burrow were made coming back for the ball during scramble drills or finding the open spots after breaking off the prescribed route. So to flat out make the assumption that "mentally" they were not capable is a pure assumption on your part. Additionally, Dillon and Burrow had a certain chemistry, which was exhibited on several of Dillon's TD catches in 2018 and 2019.
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It's not about the work with the individual players. It's the overall talent of the individual players.
There is no argument that the overall talent of the first string far outshone the overall talent of the second string (hence my question). However, to totally disregard the hard work that was put in by the players to get to that synergistic level is disingenuous. The hundreds of hours working together by those players is exactly what you witnessed on the field in 2019. Talent alone does not produce that kind of results, but it is a component in the equation.
Furthermore, your earlier assumption that the broken plays were what made the offense go is also quite disingenuous. Those plays are what made the offense spectacular, but the offense functioned quite well within its framework.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 9:59 am to FLBooGoTigs1
Wendell Davis is a record holder, and made Wickersham and Hodson better QBs
Josh Reed
Landry
Josh Reed
Landry
Posted on 7/21/23 at 9:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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The synergy of Burrow and those 3 WRs (esp Chase and JJ) is what made that offense go.
Interesting. I took his question to mean if McMath, Sullivan and Dillon had been the 1st string all along, and they were the ones at the forefront of the Summer of 10,000 catches, and had built the chemistry with Burrow.
I might put the odds at less than 50/50, but I wouldn't go so far as to say "hard no".
Posted on 7/21/23 at 10:07 am to FLBooGoTigs1
Jack Hunt, Jack Hunt, Jack Hunt!!!!
Posted on 7/21/23 at 11:07 am to FLBooGoTigs1
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I also see Eric Martin and Wendell Davis. They were two I thought of but weren't very fast.
Eric Martin wasn't fast. He just knew how to get open and at 6-1, 210 was a bruiser in the open field.
The reason I didn't include Davis over OBJ or Reed was I've never, ever seen any player get open like Josh Reed, and if I had to pick 3, I would need one guy with the ability to take the top off the defense. Wendell Davis was a 2-time All American, SEC POTY, and undoubtedly a top 5 all time LSU WR, but he just couldn't stretch the field like OB.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 1:02 pm to Tangineck
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Devery Henderson
Dev caught the ones he wasn’t supposed to and dropped all the ones he should’ve caught.
Who else blocked like Clayton?
Posted on 7/21/23 at 1:10 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
Landry, Clayton, Buster Davis
Posted on 7/21/23 at 1:22 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
I think an interesting question is, could he make it work with:
Buster Davis
Rueben Randall
Brandon LaFell
Buster Davis
Rueben Randall
Brandon LaFell
Posted on 7/21/23 at 2:04 pm to Curtis Lowe
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So, that synergy could not have developed between the second string WRs and Burrow, if as in t
Are those 2nd players starting in the NFL.
IMO, last years WRs, playing on the 19 team with Burrow, would have had a better chance of winning than the 18 receivers.
That 18 group seemed to drop or short arm too many catchable passes, to be a big winner.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 4:17 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
Billy Cannon
Leonard Fournette
Trindon Holliday
Screen and slants out of the backfield.
Leonard Fournette
Trindon Holliday
Screen and slants out of the backfield.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 5:13 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
Richard Dickson
Deangelo Peterson
Keith zinger
Deangelo Peterson
Keith zinger
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