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re: Is it verboten to point out that Whit Weeks was responsible for the 2 long TD runs?
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:40 am to 00 Tech Grad
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:40 am to 00 Tech Grad
We have been pretty poor at setting an edge on defense, as well as gap integrity and making sure the back side is taken care of.
These are all fixable with good coaching, but you wonder how it's an issue with a college football team, as these concepts are some of the first to be instilled in junior high school.
These are all fixable with good coaching, but you wonder how it's an issue with a college football team, as these concepts are some of the first to be instilled in junior high school.
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Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:42 am to GumboPot
It was absolutely Weeks fault. Yes he played great most of the game but gap responsibility was terrible on those 2 plays. These are fixable but both those plays ended up in long runs. And safety not breaking down is why he missed the tackle. These are basic fundamentals you should have by the time you get to college.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:49 am to mcspufftiger7
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It was absolutely Weeks fault.
If Reliford ties up the SC left tackle the tackle doesn't move down a level and block Weeks.
Look this is a team game. Weeks should have not leaned so far inside himself and made it easy for the SC tackle to seal the edge on the second level. The edge was sealed by SC on the first level with no effort. Reliford gave it to them. Weeks got sucked in with the ball fake on the second level setting up the edge to be sealed at the second level really easy by the SC left tackle. And IDK what happened to the LSU safeties. They were AWOL on that play.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:54 am to 00 Tech Grad
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True, but Reliford was in front of Weeks. When Weeks saw Reliford go inside, he’s got to know that he has to redirect to the outside.
If Weeks understood what he was seeing in front of him, he had time to adjust.
on sanders run, it was on weeks. he didnt trust the other guys and got caught trying to go inside. he was trying to be superman
on the long QB run, that was actually on the freshman Dt. he got his head down and got washed to the side. WW was blitzing, was picked up and actually did a decent job holding his gap. now could he have made the play, yea but the hole was open because breaux lead with this head and got moved off to the right side of the line about 3-4' and never looked up.
then sage ryan took a terrible angle and whiffed.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 8:06 am to 00 Tech Grad
Weeks was definitely not responsible for the Seller TD run. If I had to guess Sanders is his responsibility there. I'd be worried if the strong side LB doesn't follow the OT, TE, RB, and a WR going the same direction.
The players responsible for that play are Penn, Ryan, and Gilbert. Also responsible is Washington who gets manhandled (holding considering how the guard has a fistful of jersey and both his hands on the outside of the shoulders) and blocked into Jones. Otherwise Jones would have been untouched since the OT takes Perkins coming in from the outside, and could have blown the play up.
Rewatched it again, the hold gets more obvious every time.
eta: Just to poke a hole in OPs "analysis".
eta2: The Sanders's TD run is definitely his fault though.
The players responsible for that play are Penn, Ryan, and Gilbert. Also responsible is Washington who gets manhandled (holding considering how the guard has a fistful of jersey and both his hands on the outside of the shoulders) and blocked into Jones. Otherwise Jones would have been untouched since the OT takes Perkins coming in from the outside, and could have blown the play up.
Rewatched it again, the hold gets more obvious every time.
eta: Just to poke a hole in OPs "analysis".
quote:The Sellers's TD run he follows the pulling players and goes outside and takes 3 blockers with him, so I'm not sure how you can say that he "bit inside and didn't seal the edge". Especially considering Sellers ran right up the middle. LSU is in a 2 LB set there, Weeks is strong side, Penn is weak side, Perkins is blitzing weak from the Star position.
As great as he has been in spots, he bit inside on both plays and didn’t seal the edge.
eta2: The Sanders's TD run is definitely his fault though.
This post was edited on 9/16/24 at 8:23 am
Posted on 9/16/24 at 8:17 am to 00 Tech Grad
100% his fault.
I think it come back to horrible line play well horrible defense play same as burns has had issues. I think guys on defense are worried about other guys jobs(d line) allowing offensive lineman to get hats on LB and allow rb to get to linebackers and second level when running up the middle.
In the end I think he bit inside bc he wants to help out MLB and dline to stop the run on the inside bc he doesn’t trust dline to hold ground. Same issues as last year but imo not quiet as bad still obviously scared about just concentrating just on his job holding edge and turning runner back into Dline and interior of defense.
I think it come back to horrible line play well horrible defense play same as burns has had issues. I think guys on defense are worried about other guys jobs(d line) allowing offensive lineman to get hats on LB and allow rb to get to linebackers and second level when running up the middle.
In the end I think he bit inside bc he wants to help out MLB and dline to stop the run on the inside bc he doesn’t trust dline to hold ground. Same issues as last year but imo not quiet as bad still obviously scared about just concentrating just on his job holding edge and turning runner back into Dline and interior of defense.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 8:22 am to 00 Tech Grad
The DE’s still lose contain which is what caused that particular TD run. Weeks bit but he has the inside gap first then outside. The DE’s bite inside way too often.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 9:04 am to Penrod
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Nope. Maybe on the first one. The second one was due to an egregious mistake by Weeks.
Watch sage Ryan try and make the tackle again. Whole defense was awful on it
Posted on 9/16/24 at 9:05 am to L S Usetheforce
One was a blatant hold that the refs missed. Refs gave us some calls late as an “we’re sorry” IMO
Posted on 9/16/24 at 9:07 am to sunnydaze
Making an open field tackle in the back end one on one when the RB has a full head of steam is so damn hard
Sage Ryan makes plenty of mistakes but blaming him there is silly
Sage Ryan makes plenty of mistakes but blaming him there is silly
Posted on 9/16/24 at 9:16 am to TNTigerman
Do you mean West? Whit is prototype drop linebacker that can play sideline to sideline
Posted on 9/16/24 at 9:21 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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Weeks was definitely not responsible for the Seller TD run. If I had to guess Sanders is his responsibility there. I'd be worried if the strong side LB doesn't follow the OT, TE, RB, and a WR going the same direction.
do you even watch the game? on the sellers run he was blitzing in that gap. him and breaux had the 2 gaps there. breaux got moved cause he put his facemask in the guys check instead of throwing his hands and looking but whit was part of it but he in no way had responsibility for sanders there
on sanders run....he 100% went inside and 100% had contain there...its almost like you dont understand football
and whit played well overall. the seller td wasnt his fault but he prolly could have made the play
sanders was 100% on him
its ok to call a kid out and point out the good and the bad
for example....overall sage ryan had one of his better games as a tiger...but on the sellers run up the middle where whit blitzed...it was maybe his worst ever play as a tiger.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 9:47 am to lsu777
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on sanders run....he 100% went inside and 100% had contain there...its almost like you dont understand football
How do you know it wasn't the DE that messed up by going inside? We don't know the call so we don't know if Whit or Reliford were responsible for contain there. You definitely would like your LB to see what's happening in front of him and adjust himself accordingly but we can't know which player was in the wrong gap without knowing the call and most of the time the DE is responsible for contain.
This post was edited on 9/16/24 at 9:49 am
Posted on 9/16/24 at 9:51 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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How do you know it wasn't the DE that messed up by going inside? We don't know the call so we don't know if Whit or Reliford were responsible for contain there. You definitely would like your LB to see what's happening in front of him and adjust himself accordingly but we can't know which player was in the wrong gap without knowing the call and most of the time the DE is responsible for contain.
watch the tape. whit holds the outside then on a little shimy from rocket runs inside then trys to recover. also watch where the DE goes immediately and whit is lined up too fat outside for them to have a switch called.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 9:55 am to lsu777
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on sanders run....he 100% went inside and 100% had contain there...its almost like you dont understand football
Which is why I said this...
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eta2: The Sanders's TD run is definitely his fault though.
Here's the Sellers run. Weeks is not blitzing. #40 is reacting to the outside run threat.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 9:57 am to sunnydaze
quote:wait, why you blaming sage for something that started with weeks at the LOS?
He was responsible for sage Ryan totally whiffing on the tackle?
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:00 am to sunnydaze
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ol what? You might want to watch it again. Sage absolutely whiffs on sellers as the last line of defense
That should’ve been a 10 yard gain at bes
After watching that play from that view you linked I'm pretty sure that play is on Swinson. Swinson had a great game but the play was power read and generally speaking on power read the End is supposed to play QB and force the QB to give.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:19 am to GumboPot
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Gabriel Reliford was responsible for the Rocket Sanders long run. He lost contain on the edge. After that he never played again.
Except as a blocking back on the 4th down that we didn't get because he missed his block. Maybe stick to one position.
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:21 am to KamaCausey_LSU
When Penn is scrapping to the left he needs to see that the Tackle is setting up to block him out, corner back is outside him with the area covered. Awareness of the blocking schem in front of a LB is the key to effective Lb play!
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:26 am to sunnydaze
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Sage absolutely whiffs on sellers as the last line of defense
Do you honestly expect a guy who's 15 yards downfield from a guy running full speed at him to be able to break down and make that open field tackle?
Sage probably had a 5-10% chance at making that tackle, as would any safety in the country who was staying back in cover 2. Nothing about that TD was his fault.
And yeah Whit Weeks shoudl'nt have gotten sucked inside on the Sanders run, but Greg Penn is bad. He did nothing as a MLB, and let some offensive lineman who was on the ground trip him up. Even if Whit had stayed outside and gotten blocked making Sanders go inside of him, Penn wouldn't have been there to make the tackle. He's slow, and he always just accepts getting blocked.
Whit Weeks issue on that play was mental, and can be fixed. Greg Penn's issue on every play is ability, as well as mental. Perkins just simply isn't a good run stopping linebacker at all as he has no idea how to play that position for the run.
Our LB's are terrible at stopping the run, and Weeks is the only one who looks like he has the potential to be good at it.
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