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I Do Not Blame McMahon, it Ain't His Fault
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:12 am
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:12 am
You can't blame the coach. He took a higher paying job. It's not his fault he inherited a dumpster fire.
I do blame the LSU administration for firing Wade (unless there's really more to the story we don't know).
I do blame the AD for hiring this guy. He could have done much better. He could have hired a stop-gap guy on a two year deal for half the money, rolled the dice and started over next year if need be.
At this point McMahon is in worse shape than when he started with no players. He well may have half the current team jump ship, he will face the fact that no player wants to come here to this crap, and he not only will start from scratch again this year but with an even more empty cupboard than when he arrived with no players.
I do blame the LSU administration for firing Wade (unless there's really more to the story we don't know).
I do blame the AD for hiring this guy. He could have done much better. He could have hired a stop-gap guy on a two year deal for half the money, rolled the dice and started over next year if need be.
At this point McMahon is in worse shape than when he started with no players. He well may have half the current team jump ship, he will face the fact that no player wants to come here to this crap, and he not only will start from scratch again this year but with an even more empty cupboard than when he arrived with no players.
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Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:14 am to FreeState
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Do Not Blame McMahon, it Ain't His Fault
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At this point McMahon is in worse shape than when he started
Statements do not correlate
This post was edited on 3/2/23 at 10:17 am
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:16 am to FreeState
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I do blame the AD for hiring this guy. He could have done much better. He could have hired a stop-gap guy on a two year deal for half the money, rolled the dice and started over next year if need be.
Dude went to Wikipedia and saw that 30-3 record and that's all he needed to see.
Here you go Mac, here's a $2.9 million a year offer and a 70% contract buyout. Do your thing. McMahon said "bet", and decided to just pocket the money and run.
fricking disaster of a situation. Woodward deserves 99% of the blame (and the Board as well for approving the contract). I'd argue that his contract for McMahon is as terrible to this program as his contract was for Jimbo. A fricking 8 year contract? not even superstar coaches get that.
It screams of an AD who does not know a single thing about college basketball
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:16 am to FreeState
I do agree with the idea of getting a stop gap guy vs a 7-8 year deal with someone trying to make a jump up. We gave Kelly a 10 year deal so he would be comfortable with the future here. He’s one of the winningest coaches in the history of NCAA. Makes sense. If we gave Napier a 10 year deal it would’ve been completely idiotic.
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:16 am to FreeState
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He well may have half the current team jump ship, he will face the fact that no player wants to come here to this crap, and he not only will start from scratch again this year but with an even more empty cupboard than when he arrived with no players.
Yup. Poor recruiting + players leaving for other schools won't bode well for him. It's a shite sandwich however you cut it.
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:23 am to Tigerfan14
We probably should have just hired JohnBrady until the stormcloud dissipated
That said, I’ll reserve judgment until end of year3.
That said, I’ll reserve judgment until end of year3.
This post was edited on 3/2/23 at 10:24 am
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:23 am to Tigerfan14
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We gave Kelly a 10 year deal so he would be comfortable with the future here.
Kelly got a 10 year deal because he had ALL of the leverage in the negotiations. Kelly didn't need LSU. LSU needed Kelly. Thus, Kelly basically could dictate his terms. It wasn't about "making him feel comfortable". It was about bending over an meeting his demands because LSU had very little negotiating leverage.
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If we gave Napier a 10 year deal it would’ve been completely idiotic.
Yes, because Napier didn't have nearly the leverage Kelly had. Napier was begging for the LSU job.
This post was edited on 3/2/23 at 10:24 am
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:24 am to FreeState
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he not only will start from scratch again this year but with an even more empty cupboard than when he arrived with no players.
You literally cannot have more of an empty cupboard than what McMahon inherited.
Not sure where all this wishcasting about players jumping ship is coming from either.
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:28 am to FreeState
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FreeState
Woody shills in spin control
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:33 am to rutiger
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Woody shills in spin control
I don’t think you read the OP at all lol
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:34 am to mmcgrath
I don't know if I blame Woodward for hiring McMahon. Everyone was super excited about the hire, he had rave reviews from everyone, he did an excellent job at Murray State, so on and so on. Sometimes guys just aren't as good when they step up a level. I don't think the nail is in the coffin just yet for McMahon, but there's no doubt he was really bad this year.
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:35 am to FreeState
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He could have hired a stop-gap guy on a two year deal for half the money
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:37 am to FreeState
Do any of you dipshits remember the national articles fawning over the McMahon hire? There was one saying we “won” the coaching hire off-season and rated our hire as the best new coach hire- it wasn’t just Woody that thought this guy was good.
Give him another year and then judge him.
Give him another year and then judge him.
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:44 am to mmcgrath
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You literally cannot have more of an empty cupboard than what McMahon inherited.
You can, and other teams did. They are having much better seasons than us.
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:45 am to Alt26
That’s the whole point of what I said. You can give a ridiculous contract to a proven commodity that can justifiably make his terms. You do not give the mid major coach who is taking a massive step up the same benefit. We did. It’s not looking like a good idea.
This post was edited on 3/2/23 at 10:49 am
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:47 am to In The Know
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Give him another year and then judge him.
Another year with a likely worse roster. Sure what could go wrong
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:49 am to mmcgrath
The players will come if you are willing to fork over the money. The basketball fans care but does the money people. Is there enough fans there to invest or do they spend that money on football or baseball?
Also from my friend who’s tied into college basketball coaching circles. Wade is the biggest snake in the grass, back stabbing a-hole around. He can motivate players and decent coach, but he is toxic in the work environment.
Also from my friend who’s tied into college basketball coaching circles. Wade is the biggest snake in the grass, back stabbing a-hole around. He can motivate players and decent coach, but he is toxic in the work environment.
Posted on 3/2/23 at 11:22 am to Crisprdestroyer
quote:That is the age old question that would affect any coach. But Noone should have expected McMahon to break the bank in his first year after the previous coach just got fired for a list of violations. Sanctions haven't even been decided yet.
The players will come if you are willing to fork over the money. The basketball fans care but does the money people. Is there enough fans there to invest or do they spend that money on football or baseball?
quote:That is pretty easy to believe. But his experience at LSU may have humbled him. He seemed almost contrite at the end.
Also from my friend who’s tied into college basketball coaching circles. Wade is the biggest snake in the grass, back stabbing a-hole around. He can motivate players and decent coach, but he is toxic in the work environment.
Posted on 3/2/23 at 11:24 am to More beer please
quote:We have been over this. No other team had zero players on scholarship, zero recruits, and looming sanctions. Did some other team have negative players? Maybe they didn't have a gym to play in or something?
You can, and other teams did. They are having much better seasons than us.
This post was edited on 3/2/23 at 11:26 am
Posted on 3/2/23 at 11:29 am to FreeState
WW was canned to avoid slamming the LSU program.
We can all bash the administration, but they did what was needed. Sure the MM hire hasn't panned out thus far, but assuming that everything would've been fine with WW is not accurate.
We can all bash the administration, but they did what was needed. Sure the MM hire hasn't panned out thus far, but assuming that everything would've been fine with WW is not accurate.
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