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re: I Do Not Blame McMahon, it Ain't His Fault

Posted on 3/2/23 at 11:47 am to
Posted by kjp811
Denver, CO
Member since Apr 2017
851 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 11:47 am to
There have been several "promotions" from Murry St coaches into the Power 5 and all of them have fizzled. Only one that work out was Mick Cronin. With Cronin, he had to rebuild Cincy from scratch after Bob Huggins resigned and that took a few seasons.

But I'm wondering if the sustained success that Murray St has shown is more heavily weighted towards the program itself or the coaching talent that's passed through.
Posted by FreeState
Member since Jun 2012
3171 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 12:27 pm to
I sure ain't a Woody shill. He did OK with Kelly, Jay Johnson, and Kim. Give credit where credit is due.

He did not do OK with the basketball hire, period.

I'm calling him out on that one. But I can't squawk with football, baseball, or women's basketball.

Beth is on deck, by the way, I think.
Posted by PNG Futbol
Member since Aug 2022
480 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 12:39 pm to
McMahon over his head. He is set for life now. Good for him. Bad for lsu basketball.
Posted by rented mule
Member since Sep 2005
2365 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 1:38 pm to
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I Do Not Blame McMahon, it Ain't His Fault


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You can't blame the coach. He took a higher paying job. It's not his fault he inherited a dumpster fire.


It's not his fault for knowing exactly what the situation was and willingly coming here? No one forced him to, no one put a gun to his head.

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At this point McMahon is in worse shape than when he started with no player


That would be entirely his fault and no one elses.

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He well may have half the current team jump ship,


The ship he created and is captaining.

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he will face the fact that no player wants to come here to this crap


Crap that he created, so how is it not his fault??
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
11981 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 1:39 pm to
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You literally cannot have more of an empty cupboard than what McMahon inherited.



You must be his wife.
He didn't have to resort to a Tuba player. He was faced with"Draconian Sanctions" as was John Brady. JB had to fill up the roster with JC players.
Posted by ramchallenge
Member since Nov 2009
2990 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 1:41 pm to
There is no doubt in my mind that Will Wade had a vendetta against SW and LSU for his firing... and because of that he did all that he could to direct the returning players away from LSU and to other programs! Just one man's opinion
Posted by rented mule
Member since Sep 2005
2365 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 1:48 pm to
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There is no doubt in my mind that Will Wade had a vendetta against SW and LSU for his firing... and because of that he did all that he could to direct the returning players away from LSU and to other programs! Just one man's opinion


Few if any of those players had any ties to LSU, they came here because of Will Wade.
Woodward unceremoniously fired Wade on the eve of the NCAA tourney, and didn't even bother to let the team know. They found out via social media. I don't think they needed much of any motivation to leave the program.
This post was edited on 3/2/23 at 1:52 pm
Posted by Zombie Bob
Member since Feb 2021
389 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 2:13 pm to
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You literally cannot have more of an empty cupboard than what McMahon inherited.


This statement is just flat out wrong.
Posted by Zombie Bob
Member since Feb 2021
389 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 2:18 pm to
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No other team had zero players on scholarship, zero recruits, and looming sanctions


Again not true. I guess Wilkinson, Miller and Williams just don't count as scholarship players to morons like you.

Also, five other scholarship players (Gaines, Pinson, Murray, Reid, and Fudge) transferred AFTER McMahon was hired. But please go on and continue to defend your asinine take.
Posted by Lsudave89
Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
Member since Jun 2021
3527 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 2:22 pm to
The buck stops with the coach, win or lose.
Posted by jamarr
Member since Jul 2019
331 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 3:56 pm to
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There is no doubt in my mind that Will Wade had a vendetta against SW and LSU for his firing... and because of that he did all that he could to direct the returning players away from LSU and to other programs! Just one man's opinion


there is no evidence for this whatsover, and wade himself angrily refuted it.
Posted by jamarr
Member since Jul 2019
331 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 3:58 pm to
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At this point McMahon is in worse shape than when he started with no players. He well may have half the current team jump ship, he will face the fact that no player wants to come here to this crap, and he not only will start from scratch again this year but with an even more empty cupboard than when he arrived with no players.


nah. for all we know the players like him. if he can keep the young core guys ward, reed and big shawn, then pick up a transfer big and a couple veteran guards, next year might be fine.

murray vet mick cronin was shite when he first moved to cincy. he worked through it.
This post was edited on 3/2/23 at 3:59 pm
Posted by lovinLSU
lafayette
Member since Nov 2007
13878 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 4:12 pm to
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You literally cannot have more of an empty cupboard than what McMahon inherited.
can’t wait to see your lame excuse when MM is in the same predicament next year.. what’s gonna b your crutch then??… still Will Wade??.. still the cupboard is bare??.. not enough NIL money for bigger better recruits or portal players????
This post was edited on 3/2/23 at 4:14 pm
Posted by bayoubilly57
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
459 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 4:59 pm to
He just can't coach. SEC !!!!!!!!
Posted by Areddishfish
The Wild West
Member since Oct 2015
6282 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 5:05 pm to
I don’t know it’s pretty bad. I understand the whole team essentially turned over which is not a common occurrence. Maybe in basketball it’s more common? You wouldn’t see that in football.

Anyway I haven’t seen basketball this bad and I was in school when both Trent Johnson and Johnny Jones coached. They at least had interesting stars to watch while they were getting stomped by everyone and not to mention the token white guys like Garrett Green and Edie Ludwig who had no business playing college ball.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35398 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 5:06 pm to
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can’t wait to see your lame excuse when MM is in the same predicament next year.. what’s gonna b your crutch then??… still Will Wade??.. still the cupboard is bare??.. not enough NIL money for bigger better recruits or portal players????
I'll bookmark this to see what your lame response is when the roof doesn't cave in.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47872 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 6:33 pm to
Yep, that’s all this is. Anyone who watches LSU play and thinks the coach is doing a good job simply doesn’t know anything about basketball on the most fundamental level.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47872 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 6:34 pm to
News flash genius, the roof has already caved in.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47872 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 6:37 pm to
And out of those last 6 Murray State coaches McMahon was 4th in winning percentage there.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48923 posts
Posted on 3/2/23 at 6:50 pm to
Woodward should be fired
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