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re: How to fix NIL and yearly transfers.. Your thoughts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 1:17 pm to rsbd
Posted on 12/17/24 at 1:17 pm to rsbd
I don't know what the solution is, but I do not like what's going on in college football one bit.
I want the kids to get their share of money, but how it's being done right now, and how transfers are happening are ruining the sport, at least for me.
I want the kids to get their share of money, but how it's being done right now, and how transfers are happening are ruining the sport, at least for me.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 1:18 pm to rsbd
One free transfer unless your coach leaves/fired. Would have to sit out a season if done twice.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 1:19 pm to JimTiger72
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They might agree to a deal, but the actual contracts are per semester/NIL window so the school doesn’t lose money if a player leaves.
The "school" is not necessarily losing any money....since the school is not paying the player. But no business person wants to obligate themselves to pay a kid for 3 years, only to have the kid leave after one to play for another school and still be entitled to that payment.
Again, most of these proposed "solutions" lack a basic understanding of what NIL actually is.
Practically it is "pay for play"
Legally it is not.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 1:19 pm to tgdk11
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Make it matter when you commit to 1 school, or choose another.
This. I laugh every time I see some transfer portal player posting on social media "COMITTED". No, you're not. You just got this year's deal.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 1:21 pm to rsbd
Start a new College Football League. Maybe 60 teams or so. All players are subject to the same rules and binding “contract” obligations at all schools. Players may need to be classified as “employees”.
First year of eligibility is worth $xk in NIL payments, payable at start of second year. Second year $2xk payable start of year three. Year three $3xk payable start of fourth year. Year four $4xk payable after all bowls are complete. Actual $(x) shall be determined by the Association on an annual basis. All NIL deals are administered by the University. If at anytime a game eligible player fails to play or remain with the team, including bowls, there will be no payment for that year.
You can leave the school at anytime to go elsewhere. If you go to another school in the League you go back to year one financially but, are still limited to four years total of eligibility within the League. You are always free to leave and go outside the League for whatever you can get. No restraint of trade.
In exchange for payments described in the contract you agree to provide your NIL as directed by the University. By contract you are bound to be a representative of the University and may not represent any other business or association for any form of compensation.
This provides some level of reasonable compensation, makes all schools financially even in recruiting, and allows a player to transfer for development, family, coaching change, and other reasons, but not just money.
First year of eligibility is worth $xk in NIL payments, payable at start of second year. Second year $2xk payable start of year three. Year three $3xk payable start of fourth year. Year four $4xk payable after all bowls are complete. Actual $(x) shall be determined by the Association on an annual basis. All NIL deals are administered by the University. If at anytime a game eligible player fails to play or remain with the team, including bowls, there will be no payment for that year.
You can leave the school at anytime to go elsewhere. If you go to another school in the League you go back to year one financially but, are still limited to four years total of eligibility within the League. You are always free to leave and go outside the League for whatever you can get. No restraint of trade.
In exchange for payments described in the contract you agree to provide your NIL as directed by the University. By contract you are bound to be a representative of the University and may not represent any other business or association for any form of compensation.
This provides some level of reasonable compensation, makes all schools financially even in recruiting, and allows a player to transfer for development, family, coaching change, and other reasons, but not just money.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 1:26 pm to rsbd
The NCAA needs to separate attending school with playing a sport.
Make playing a sport a binding contract with the athletic department. Make them employees if that is what it takes.
Then students can freely attend any school they choose but can only play football for that contract. Then athletic departments can negotiate buyouts etc.
Make playing a sport a binding contract with the athletic department. Make them employees if that is what it takes.
Then students can freely attend any school they choose but can only play football for that contract. Then athletic departments can negotiate buyouts etc.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 1:28 pm to rsbd
Basically you can model it after how professional soccer works.
Small clubs will develop talent and then the big wealthy clubs come in and buy the player’s rights in the transfer market, but have to pay a negotiated amount in “transfer fee” to said smaller club, and then still have to pay the player.
This way a smaller to mid size cfb program can get really good at developing talent and be financially rewarded when an sec or big10 school comes in and buys their best player, and continue to reinvest into themselves.
Small clubs will develop talent and then the big wealthy clubs come in and buy the player’s rights in the transfer market, but have to pay a negotiated amount in “transfer fee” to said smaller club, and then still have to pay the player.
This way a smaller to mid size cfb program can get really good at developing talent and be financially rewarded when an sec or big10 school comes in and buys their best player, and continue to reinvest into themselves.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 2:27 pm to The Hurricane
You simply cannot keep a free individual student from changing schools. It is illegal and wrong. As long as they are classified as students (which they currently are) there is nothing that can be done.
You can bind an employee to provisions of a binding employment agreement, or a binding contract service agreement.
You can bind an employee to provisions of a binding employment agreement, or a binding contract service agreement.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 2:35 pm to savecf101
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You simply cannot keep a free individual student from changing schools. It is illegal and wrong
they can change schools and be students all they want.
doesn’t mean they have to be given a scholarship, roster spot, and eligibility in a Div 1 sport.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 2:43 pm to rsbd
I think the simplest solution is to say it's a 2 year minimum between transfers. If a kid signs and doesn't like where he is, fine you get to move, but you're stuck where you pick until you're at least a red-shirt junior.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 2:52 pm to gar90
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If a kid signs and doesn't like where he is, fine you get to move, but you're stuck where you pick until you're at least a red-shirt junior.
yep...all college kids generally get one free pass. Give them the one unlimited move, then after that, go back to sit out a year. That would stop most of this instantly.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 2:53 pm to rsbd
Give one transfer, anything after that they have to sit a yr
Posted on 12/17/24 at 2:55 pm to tgdk11
Could they potentially do some sort of hybrid to this where if you transfer you have to sit a year unless you have passed a set number of credit hours (60)? This would keep kids at their initial school for 2 years and then give upperclassmen the option to transfer and play immediately.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 2:57 pm to rsbd
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It may sound dumb but these kids want to be payed as employees like coaches, so shouldn’t they play by the same rules..
but they aren’t.
they’re signing contracts with third parties. State Farm can’t dictate Patrick Mahomes’s contract details with the Chiefs.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 3:18 pm to SammyTiger
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they’re signing contracts with third parties. State Farm can’t dictate Patrick Mahomes’s contract details with the Chiefs.
true but that example is a National Brand paying a Nationally recognized player. Mahomes’ value (to State Farm) won’t change significantly if he switches teams.
a more accurate comparison would be a NOLA area business paying a Saints guy (that’s not really a huge National name but is popular in NOLA).
if that guy went to the Falcons, he value to the NOLA area business plummets.
so those types of contracts are written in ways that they can get out of them if something like that happens.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 3:43 pm to rsbd
It's going to end in a collective bargaining agreement. All of the fiction needs to disappear. The players are neither students nor amateurs. They are professional athletes.
To me the most confounding part is going to be having state owned professional sporting teams. It used to be that people pearl clutched that the highest paid state employee was a football coach. Wait until the back-up center makes more than the Commissioner of Agriculture.
To me the most confounding part is going to be having state owned professional sporting teams. It used to be that people pearl clutched that the highest paid state employee was a football coach. Wait until the back-up center makes more than the Commissioner of Agriculture.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 4:05 pm to Nutriaitch
Well, basically that’s how Underwood’s nil is being done the way I understood, it’s $12 million for 4 years. So, if he leaves after the first year, you get $3 million.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 4:07 pm to tgdk11
quote:will never happen since coaches don't have to sit out when they move...
Put 1 yr sit out penalty onto transfers.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 4:08 pm to Nutriaitch
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so those types of contracts are written in ways that they can get out of them if something like that happens.
and our boosters definitely stop paying these kids when they go to other schools.
the problem is ACME Oyster house usually doesn’t sign a contract with a Saints player that can lock him into playing for the saints when he’s a free agent.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 4:10 pm to rsbd
Probably will take an act of congress to fix this mess. Maybe set up the NCAA to make rules about member schools and who can do what.
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