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How can an OL unit be elite at pass protection yet putrid at run blocking?
Posted on 10/13/24 at 11:38 am
Posted on 10/13/24 at 11:38 am
I’m admitting ignorance as I didn’t play football at a high level.
But how is this extreme disparity possible? They put on a masterclass protecting Nuss yet couldn’t push a clothesline of wet blankets for our RBs.
Why is this?
But how is this extreme disparity possible? They put on a masterclass protecting Nuss yet couldn’t push a clothesline of wet blankets for our RBs.
Why is this?
This post was edited on 10/13/24 at 11:41 am
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Posted on 10/13/24 at 11:41 am to okietiger
This is grossly oversimplified, but in run blocking you're pushing forward, in pass blocking you're creating a pocket by stepping backward and to the side. Totally different technique.
This post was edited on 10/13/24 at 11:42 am
Posted on 10/13/24 at 11:42 am to okietiger
The Center
Posted on 10/13/24 at 11:42 am to bstaceyau19
I get that but isn’t it weird that this group can be so good at dropping and holding yet borderline bad at pushing?
Just bizarre IMO
Just bizarre IMO
Posted on 10/13/24 at 11:48 am to okietiger
It’s more scheme IMO. I don’t see us pulling and running power much.
This post was edited on 10/13/24 at 11:48 am
Posted on 10/13/24 at 11:49 am to okietiger
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I get that but isn’t it weird that this group can be so good at dropping and holding yet borderline bad at pushing?
Not really. It’s two completely different things. One is more about being able to stay in front of people trying to get around you and the other is trying to push them into a completely different direction then where they are trying to go. Sometimes that direction is straight back too.
Posted on 10/13/24 at 11:50 am to lsufan1971
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It’s more scheme IMO.
Agreed.
Posted on 10/13/24 at 11:53 am to okietiger
Zone read with a running qb is a much bigger part of today’s modern offensive football. With Nuss unwilling to run even when on the rare times he climbs the pocket and has green space were easy to defend in the run game.
We do not have elite backs either, Durham has some promise but is likely a late round pick.
We do not have elite backs either, Durham has some promise but is likely a late round pick.
Posted on 10/13/24 at 11:54 am to okietiger
My question with this is why are people (national media) still proclaiming Campbell and Jones 1st rounders when they seem to have such a clear flaw to their game.
Someone else mentioned our scheme and is that basically what talking heads attribute to their struggles or do NFL teams think they can just easily fix that?
Someone else mentioned our scheme and is that basically what talking heads attribute to their struggles or do NFL teams think they can just easily fix that?
Posted on 10/13/24 at 11:59 am to okietiger
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How can an OL unit be elite at pass protection yet putrid at run blocking?
Posted on 10/13/24 at 11:59 am to ThoseGuys
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My question with this is why are people (national media) still proclaiming Campbell and Jones 1st rounders when they seem to have such a clear flaw to their game.
Someone else mentioned our scheme and is that basically what talking heads attribute to their struggles or do NFL teams think they can just easily fix that?
a. The problem with our running game is the interior OL, not our tackles
b. NFL coaching will fix any problems. Brad Davis is a recruiter, not a good technical OL coach.
Posted on 10/13/24 at 12:13 pm to okietiger
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get that but isn’t it weird that this group can be so good at dropping and holding yet borderline bad at pushing?
No not really, in the same way steph curry might be great at shooting but not great at driving or someone can be great at chipping but not great at putting. You can be great at pass blocking and not great at run blocking, its just a different part of your game. Also our run scheme isnt the best.
Posted on 10/13/24 at 12:20 pm to okietiger
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I get that but isn’t it weird that this group can be so good at dropping and holding yet borderline bad at pushing?
The way LSU run blocks is not all about pushing. In fact, no teams can just push Dlines out of the way; they have to use the strength and momentum of the defenders against them.
IMO, it comes down to this: Kelly’s offense is made for a running QB. It doesn’t have the be Jayden Daniels, but it should be a QB who can run as well as Joe Burrow. Our offense relies heavily on RPO and Read Option. The RPO is fine with Nuss, but the Read Option is a joke because, for some reason or another, Nuss will not pull the ball and run. He has the athletic ability, but he does not have the inclination. If he did we’d be gashing people with our run game.
Posted on 10/13/24 at 12:22 pm to okietiger
Posted on 10/13/24 at 12:23 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 10/13/24 at 12:28 pm to okietiger
I mean, they didn’t have to run block for two years with Daniels at QB.
It’s not something that you pick up quickly.
Besides, Ole Miss has an elite d-line.
It’s not something that you pick up quickly.
Besides, Ole Miss has an elite d-line.
Posted on 10/13/24 at 12:31 pm to okietiger
It’s not weird at all. It’s two different mindsets. Pas-protecting is more reactionary, whereas run-blocking is more attacking. It’s very difficult for some guys to switch between the two. Plus you have to make them look the same pre-snap. That said, we should be better at it. The issue is mainly on the interior OL, and the two veterans, specifically, should be better. You expect mistakes from a rookie center.
Posted on 10/13/24 at 12:34 pm to Lester Earl
Chester is weak as hell from what I saw there, constantly being pushed back, pathetic to be big like that and can't hold your ground. Smh
This post was edited on 10/13/24 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 10/13/24 at 12:35 pm to tucoco
He will fill out and get stronger but its weak at the point. I wonder if he is too tall for a C
Posted on 10/13/24 at 12:36 pm to okietiger
I think it’s our running scheme and not as much our inability to run block. We need to have more creative running plays with misdirection blocking schemes.
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