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re: F. KIng Alexander Speaks on Miles Decision

Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:09 pm to
Posted by TFS4E
Washington DC
Member since Nov 2008
14165 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:09 pm to
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I just don't get it. Why does Alexander have the power over Alleva when it comes to athletics? Why even have an AD then?

"I just don't get it. Why does the President have the power over the VP of Operations. Why have the VP of Operations?"
-That's essentially what you're saying. A little clearer now?
This post was edited on 12/3/15 at 12:26 pm
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
55253 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:10 pm to
MY HUMBLE OPINION:

It's amateur football. It's a school's football team. The players are students, playing for their school.

If you want to cheer for a football organization whose only objective is to win THE Championship, root for an NFL team.

LSU is a state school that exists for educating children. The "mind-set" is never, ever going to be "win the national championship at all hazards". Other school objectives and considerations, such as money, such as public perception, and the like, will ALWAYS be just as important at LSU as winning THE Championship.

That's why I agree with those who say that two or three losses in the SEC West every season is not going to spark a change in the head coach's position.

If the Athletic Dept stops making money from LSU football, THAT would spark a change. But, that has never happened and I doubt that it ever will happen.
This post was edited on 12/3/15 at 12:12 pm
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
68370 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:11 pm to
If anyone was still not convinced this idiot had his head up his arse after his gloom and doom bullshite with the budget, HERES YOUR SIGN

I really hope someone with the power to do so cuts this moron.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:11 pm to
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Also again it's their money and they can donate it how they see fit.



Sigh.
Posted by ChunkyLover54
Member since Apr 2015
6665 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:11 pm to
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Alexander confirms reports that the final decision on Miles’ future did not come until after a halftime meeting during the Nov. 29 game against Texas A&M, though he says the decision had “pretty much been made” a few days earlier.

quote:


“The public at large really doesn’t differentiate where the money comes from,” he says. “No matter how you explain it, it’s still a $15 million to $25 million decision that needs to be factored into the overall equation.”


Here's where I have issue, regardless of the outcome the process was horrible. Like any negotiation or business decision, everyone has their price points. If the price point was too high and the decision was "pretty much made" then why let this shite show continue? Money was an issue Saturday but not on Monday? Why leak this to the media? (Isn't that still whats assumed to have happened?)

Work this out behind closed doors not in the town square with everyone looking in and judging. Pathetic management.

You can debate the strategy till the cows come home but the execution was pathetic.
This post was edited on 12/3/15 at 3:30 pm
Posted by ashy larry
Marcy Projects
Member since Mar 2010
5582 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:14 pm to
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“No matter how you explain it, it’s still a $15 million to $25 million decision that needs to be factored into the overall equation.”


Does that a-hole still not understand how the buyout works? If Les gets another job, LSU doesn't owe him hardly anything.

Once again F. King Alexander has his hand out. I hope Joe Alleva tells him to frick off instead of donating another THIRTY SIX MILLION DOLLARS from the athletic department to the schools general fund.


from 3 years ago...
quote:

BATON ROUGE, La. -- The LSU Athletics Department has agreed to give $36 million over five years to the flagship campus to help bolster academic programs that have been hit with continued budget cuts.


Louisiana State University's governing board, the Board of Supervisors, approved the unique, profit-sharing arrangement Friday.

Athletics director Joe Alleva says he knows of no similar arrangement at other colleges around the country.

The athletics program will transfer $7.2 million to other campus programs each year for five years, and if the athletics department generates a surplus beyond $3 million per year, the academic side of the school will get a portion of that surplus money, as well.

Alleva says the agreement will "put LSU in a position of envy" of other schools around the country.
This post was edited on 12/3/15 at 12:22 pm
Posted by stewie
Member since Jan 2006
4030 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:14 pm to
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If the Athletic Dept stops making money from LSU football, THAT would spark a change. But, that has never happened and I doubt that it ever will happen


WOW, SOME PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD ARE WORTHLESS!


I'M DONE! UNTIL THOSE CLOWNS RUNNING THE SHOW ARE FIRED, I'm NOT GIVING A DIME TO MY OWN UNIVERSITY!!!

This IS outright pathetic from all sides. To have this jackass run the show....how can people NOT SEE THE CORRELATION BETWEEN A SUCCESSFUL FOOTBALL PROGRAM AND INCREASED REVENUE FOR THE UNIVERSITY.

It's been proven time and time again.


I'M DONE WITH THESE IDIOTS!





LES, I LOVE YA BUT YOU AREN'T THE SOLUTION!
This post was edited on 12/3/15 at 12:16 pm
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
162897 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:15 pm to
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Also again it's their money and they can donate it how they see fit.


Sigh.



I mean doesn't SPEEDY have a point? He's now come out and said the money was in place and raised, you just did not want it spent for perception reasons.

How is that better?

Again, this interview was disaster on so many levels.
Posted by Spilled Milk
Member since Mar 2015
1075 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:16 pm to
quote:

MY HUMBLE OPINION:

It's amateur football. It's a school's football team. The players are students, playing for their school.

If you want to cheer for a football organization whose only objective is to win THE Championship, root for an NFL team.

LSU is a state school that exists for educating children. The "mind-set" is never, ever going to be "win the national championship at all hazards". Other school objectives and considerations, such as money, such as public perception, and the like, will ALWAYS be just as important at LSU as winning THE Championship.

That's why I agree with those who say that two or three losses in the SEC West every season is not going to spark a change in the head coach's position.

If the Athletic Dept stops making money from LSU football, THAT would spark a change. But, that has never happened and I doubt that it ever will happen.


Taking all of this into consideration, and if you truly believe this...then you must also believe the head coach should not be paid a penny of a million bucks to coach this "amateur" game
Posted by MoreOrLes
Member since Nov 2008
19472 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:16 pm to
quote:

MY HUMBLE OPINION:

It's amateur football. It's a school's football team. The players are students, playing for their school.

If you want to cheer for a football organization whose only objective is to win THE Championship, root for an NFL team.

LSU is a state school that exists for educating children. The "mind-set" is never, ever going to be "win the national championship at all hazards". Other school objectives and considerations, such as money, such as public perception, and the like, will ALWAYS be just as important at LSU as winning THE Championship.

That's why I agree with those who say that two or three losses in the SEC West every season is not going to spark a change in the head coach's position.

If the Athletic Dept stops making money from LSU football, THAT would spark a change. But, that has never happened and I doubt that it ever will happen.





The LSU admin share your opinion and thats too bad. Its very short sighted. If LSU was annual National championship contender the investment in that would reap huge financial benefits for the brand LSU.

Instead its back to obscurity LSU goes. Its a bad decision
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89725 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:16 pm to
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LSU is supposed to be a college with a football team. but it is obvious that some, if not many think that it's a football team with a college. 



I agree. But enrollment numbers do go up after winning a title.
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
42418 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:17 pm to
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Instead its back to obscurity LSU goes


Link?
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:17 pm to
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I agree. But enrollment numbers do go up after winning a title.



LSU doesn't want increased enrollment, btw.
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
Member since Feb 2008
49636 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:18 pm to
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I'm NOT GIVING A DIME TO MY OWN UNIVERSITY!!!


How much were you giving before?
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:18 pm to
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Alexander confirms reports that the final decision on Miles’ future did not come until after a halftime meeting during the Nov. 29 game against Texas A&M, though he says the decision had “pretty much been made” a few days earlier. Among those in the halftime meeting were Alexander, Athletic Director Joe Alleva, and several members of the LSU Board of Supervisors.

“It was a combination of factors and a decision that we made collectively,” Alexander says. “We weighed all the factors in all this and it was a joint decision between many of our board members, our AD and many of us decided this was the wrong time and wrong place (to replace Miles.)”

“After the type of budget battle we went through this past spring we certainly do not need to be throwing tens of millions of dollars around under certain circumstances,” he says. “We don’t need to go into the next legislative session with a black eye that we’re throwing tens of millions of dollars around on issues that aren’t associated with academic progress.”

“The public at large really doesn’t differentiate where the money comes from,” he says. “No matter how you explain it, it’s still a $15 million to $25 million decision that needs to be factored into the overall equation.”

“Decisions like that are complex and complicated and based on performance history, the direction of the program and oftentimes they don’t have easy answers,” he says. “You have to weigh everything. A lot of people out there said we had to do something. Half the people said we don’t have to do anything and emotions were all over the place. Somehow you have to not overreact to the emotions and weigh all the factors.”

“Joe and I have a very good working relationship,” he says. “Les and I do, too.”
Well whoever posted the hayride article "source" talking about this apparently got it right.
Posted by Spilled Milk
Member since Mar 2015
1075 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:18 pm to
Golfer, you can sigh and defend from now until Nick Saban comes back...fact is Alexander could have done his job and educated the public on the flow of finances instead of bash the public on their ignorance on the flow of finances
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
55253 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:18 pm to
quote:

Work this out behind closed doors not in the town square with everyone looking in and judging. Pathetic management.

It's not the decision, it's the way



Indeed, everybody in the world agrees with you here. I'm willing to bet that LSU handles this better next time.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:19 pm to
quote:

Again, this interview was disaster on so many levels.



I agree.

My "sigh" was that LSU doesn't just let it's donors donate to "how they see fit"...nor does any reputable University.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87981 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:19 pm to
Increased applications = justification for raising tuition (again)
Posted by Spilled Milk
Member since Mar 2015
1075 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:20 pm to
quote:

LSU doesn't want increased enrollment, btw.

Sure they do, just in another capacity
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