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re: Do not understand notion Howard left bc of Daniels
Posted on 1/18/23 at 12:47 pm to BigNastyTiger417
Posted on 1/18/23 at 12:47 pm to BigNastyTiger417
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Someone else who states the facts. LINK
Your claim was that Howard was promised reps that he isn’t going to get. This video very clearly states that there is no ill will and that there were NO promises that weren’t kept behind this decision. How does this back up your claim in any way?
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Posted on 1/18/23 at 12:49 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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I think the issue here is that I was narrowly focused on the last question you asked in your original post, while you are more focused on other aspects of your comments. I interpreted your question about why he ever committed to LSU if he was concerned about Nuss as an indication that you felt Nuss’ presence on the roster was not a driver of his decision to transfer. If I read too much into that, then that’s my bad. The nature of my response really was no different than how you are describing your original response to the OP. You asked why he committed if he was concerned with Nuss and I provided plausible reasons why his concern for Nuss might have changed. I don’t really see that as a strong argument for Daniels being the problem vs Nuss.
Man, I don't have any personal grudge with you or anything; it's just a disagreement. Your take is plausible, and I thought I was pretty clear in saying that before. It's that you originally responded to me with what seemed like a bit of saltiness over the fact that I hadn't responded to you, and the reason I didn't was because your position had already been stated and argued a million times by others. I wanted to stick to the point instead of going into something else.
Heck, you can say it was both Daniels AND Nuss that caused him to leave. I don't really care, either way, but the point is that not having any shot to start this year is a big reason to believe Daniels' return had something, if not everything, to do with it. I don't think there is any concern about waiting until 2026. If Nuss is what people think he is, he won't still be here in 2025, but as I said before, Howard could have competed in the spring, and if he felt he was still behind Nuss, he could have left at that point. He's going to Ole Miss now, where he's still going to have to compete for any playing time.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 12:58 pm to beauchristopher
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I 100% believe Daniels' return is why he left this quickly. Otherwise, he stays at least one more year to compete and see how things go. Nuss could still start, but he's one bad QB play or injury away. His camp voiced during the season that they didn't like that he was on scout team and Daniels returning means he would be on scout team yet again.
I believe Howard is still here had Daniels gone pro. Even if Nuss started this year he could at least wait another year to see how it goes while getting more meaningful reps and experience.
I truly do not think it's about thinking he's going to have to wait several more years before he ever starts. I don't think he sat there and said dang I won't start until 2026. He saw he would be back on scout team and left. And if he had stayed getting better reps and got beat out after this season then he likely transfers anyways.
It's possible he transfers out anyways and it's possible he could have overtaken Nuss. He was never overtaking both Nuss and Daniels. And he probably didn't want to fall further behind his competition by being on scout team a 2nd straight season.
If he thinks he's going to OM with any real possibility to be the opening-day starter he is delusional. Sorry his camp fell for Lane Kiffin's deceit if that was the pitch.
The most optimistic possibilities are backup at LSU or backup at OM. If he could've beat out Nuss to be the starter without JD here, he could've beat out Nuss to be the backup with JD here.
All of the same rationale applies, one snap away, right? That's why this JD being the reason doesn't hold water. He doesn't think he can beat Nuss.
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 1/18/23 at 1:05 pm to Goldrush25
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He doesn't think he can beat Nuss.
Honestly, I think he's scared of Rickie Collins.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 1:13 pm to Goldrush25
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That's why this JD being the reason doesn't hold water. He doesn't think he can beat Nuss.
Everything you said ignores that he only likely needs to beat out one QB at Ole Miss. So he basically walks in the door there as the #2, but has a chance to maybe start. I don't think he will start, but it's not like Dart was anything to get excited about, so there's a chance.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 1:23 pm to Metaloctopus
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Everything you said ignores that he only likely needs to beat out one QB at Ole Miss. So he basically walks in the door there as the #2, but has a chance to maybe start. I don't think he will start, but it's not like Dart was anything to get excited about, so there's a chance.
And the fact that he only has to beat out one QB at OM ignores the fact that he's going in as the transfer freshman completely new to the offense, playing for a coach that's entertaining new offers all the time. He just volunteered for more instability. That's the last thing a freshman QB needs.
Kiffin isn't going to go with a redshirt freshman if there's any chance it's going to negatively affect his next opportunity.
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 1/18/23 at 1:25 pm to Goldrush25
quote:It's pretty obvious. To say it was because of Daniels means it was about next season. It cannot be about next season.
That's why this JD being the reason doesn't hold water. He doesn't think he can beat Nuss.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 1:39 pm to AlxTgr
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It's pretty obvious. To say it was because of Daniels means it was about next season. It cannot be about next season.
Dart still has two seasons of eligibility remaining so it'll be interesting to see what happens if he doesn't jump to the NFL after this season.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 2:19 pm to Melvin
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The people that believe it has anything to do with JD are just grasping for another reason to shite on him.
So JD staying one more year and WH being the 3rd in line instead of 2nd in line had nothing to do with him leaving?
Posted on 1/18/23 at 2:34 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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For the record Ian Book is all over the passing records at notre dame. At least try to look shite up before posting.
I did look it up, and am embarrassed for you that you thought this was a point in your favor
I ALREADY MENTIONED that Book was a Kelly favorite, and started in 4 seasons. Book is only in the record books due to his longevity under Kelly. His best passing year (2019) ranked 48th in the NCAA
Break it down by season and how does he rank as a ND QB?
Passing yds in a season - 8th
Passing yds in a game - not in the top 10
Offense in a single season - 4th
Offense in a single game - not in the top 10
And thats against passing giants like Tommy Rees, Jimmy Clausen, Jack Coan, Deshone Kizer, Everett Golson
7 of the top 10 single game records for passing at ND were before Kelly was the ND coach. And Kelly was their coach during this passing era of the NCAA
Whether you are going to concede the obvious point or not, Kelly used Book as a running QB, based on his stats: 2 pass completions for every time he ran with the ball.
Those are dual threat stats. Sorry
Posted on 1/18/23 at 2:39 pm to boweswi05
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So JD staying one more year and WH being the 3rd in line instead of 2nd in line had nothing to do with him leaving?
WH didn't even bother to come to spring camp to see if he could've been second in line, he bowed out of the competition. Makes it seem like he wanted the #2 job handed to him.
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 1/18/23 at 3:34 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Well in that case his selection of Daniels is even more puzzling.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 5:36 pm to MikeTheTiger71
As stated in the video, he explained it in multiple other videos. Find & watch.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 5:56 pm to BigNastyTiger417
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As stated in the video, he explained it in multiple other videos. Find & watch.
He explained in other videos that promises were made to Howard then stated explicitly in this video there were no promises that weren’t kept? Did you even watch this video? He CONTRADICTS what you said.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 8:37 pm to MikeTheTiger71
Remove the word “promise”. Replace it with “was told”.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 10:20 pm to RobbBobb
quote:LOL RobbRobb how many years has it been? You hate QBs that can run, just admit it.
When Kelly arrived he had Brennan, Nuss, and Walker. So why go after JD? Its because he wants a system QB
Brennan and Howard left because of "the system" that requires a Daniels
Nuss will soon follow, because his skill set requires a different playbook than Daniels. Kelly isnt going to change his playbook that has made him marginally successful since 2007. Thats exactly what we hated about Les at the end
People that went to practice saw with their own eyes that Brennan was way behind in the competition. Nuss was a turnover machine. All the turnover talk in practice was about Nuss. Howard is a true freshman and looked lost like a freshman on practice.
I know you're whining, but listen up, who was Brian Kelly's last QB at Notre Dame, and what style of QB did he fit into?
Posted on 1/18/23 at 10:24 pm to RobbBobb
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When Kelly arrived he had Brennan, Nuss, and Walker. So why go after JD? Its because he wants a system QB
Because Brennan hadn’t played in 2 years and was 1-2 as a starter
Nuss looked like shite in 2021
And Walker was a true freshmen.
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Brennan and Howard left because of "the system" that requires a Daniels
No the left because they got beat out by Daniels and Nuss.
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Nuss will soon follow, because his skill set requires a different playbook than Daniels.
what did we do last year that Nuss can’t do?
Posted on 1/18/23 at 10:38 pm to chuggachugga
quote:LSU didn't need 50 points to beat any team in 2019. There is a thing you've forgotten that's called defense. UGA was held to 27 points or less 3 times last year including a 16-6 win on the road vs UK. Bama was held to 24 points or less twice this year and was held to 24 points or less 3 times in regulation.
Oh? How many did uga put up? How about the vols?
You should probably rethink your strategy simp …
Judging by the margin of victory uga, bama, and uga enjoyed last year for most games …
All are capable of 50-60pts
Statistics don’t lie.
Since you don’t seem to understand modern football- running teams can’t score fast enough and this guy we have can’t pass… couldn’t pass 4 years ago… can’t pass today.
So unless you have an unrealistic expectation of Lsu holding the entire sec west to 3 td a game
Stop exaggerating how good teams are and stop being a whiny bitch all the time. LSU averaged 100 more yards and 10 more points per game than 2021 with a patchwork offense. Virtually everybody has projected this offense to be elite next year with Daniels and the rest coming back outside of little dick LSU fans that can't realize just how good they have it at QB.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:54 am to Goldrush25
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And the fact that he only has to beat out one QB at OM ignores the fact that he's going in as the transfer freshman completely new to the offense, playing for a coach that's entertaining new offers all the time. He just volunteered for more instability. That's the last thing a freshman QB needs.
Kiffin isn't going to go with a redshirt freshman if there's any chance it's going to negatively affect his next opportunity.
Wherever he went, he was going to have to learn a new offense. So what? How does that change the fact that he is only behind one guy on the depth chart? As for instability of the coach entertaining new offers, that's an entirely different problem that has nothing to do with playing time. There aren't many "stable" places you can go from that standpoint. Guys are either getting fired, or moving on to something better, pretty much everywhere.
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