re: Do not understand notion Howard left bc of Daniels

I think maybe he thought Nuss was lacking in some way and then at some point realized that Nuss is a couple tweaks away from being freaking awesome.

There’s no way WH leaving, given his advisors and such, is anything but a great report on Nuss.
Barely relevant to JD if at all.

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can't believe you actually said this! It's incredible for you to be so wrong, yet tell someone else to look shite up before posting. Remarkable. Really.

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What is really remarkable is you not understanding the discussion we were having about Kelly just going after Dual Threat qbs. Try to keep up.

247 prostyle qb
Espn has him as a pocket passer
rivals has him as a prostyle qb
He was recruited as a prostyle qb,which is the point of what we were discussing. The assertion that Kelly just goes after dual threat QBs.
Maybe try to keep up in the convo if you're gonna come in hot and start running your dick sucker.



Your own link....

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In addition to legendary Notre Dame quarterbacks like Brady Quinn, John Huarte, Joe Theismann, Joe Montana, and Ian Book, the school has produced some of the greatest college passers of all time, such as Joe Theismann, Joe Montana, and John Huarte

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Congrats on shitting on your own stance.
You even have a link labeled "sneaky dual threat"... that implies people don't really consider him that. It's not sneaky if it's widely known.

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I don't recall reading it.

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Then how can you argue against a point you haven't read?

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That makes zero sense. I argue losing points for a living. I can't argue that one. There isn't an argument.

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There is one, and you haven't even read the argument, as you just jumped in here with zero context of anything I've been saying. Are you this thorough at what you do for a living, as well?

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So your supposition about what he does or doesn’t feel about Nuss being on the roster is factual, but my response is just opinion?

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No, I never stated my "supposition" as fact. I used words like "might have", for a reason. The purpose of my post was to present the other side of the argument, which I find very plausible, and in no way difficult to understand as the OP would have everyone believe. You then responded with your own opinion, which was just taking the other side. That's not an answer, it's just repeating the other argument. As far as actually knowing for a fact what the truth is, none of us have that information.

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You put forward what you believe to be an air tight logical argument and I poked holes in it. What other “answer” did you expect?

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You didn't poke holes in it. That assumes that I was claiming what I said to be fact, As I just stated, all you did was respond to one theory with another. There are just as many "holes" in your theory. So what does it accomplish? This isn't a science test, it's a discussion involving variables of a person's mind that we don't have access to.

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It’s not at all unreasonable to think that his concern with Nuss’ presence on the roster might have changed in a year once he got on campus and started competing. Do you really think he was content to wait until 2026 to start when he signed?

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Who said it was unreasonable? Did I? The question, as it pertains to the OP's opinion, is why does he, or why would you, think it's unreasonable to believe that Howard might have been prepared to have a battle on his hands with Nuss, and still believed he could beat him out, but wasn't expecting Daniels to return? Are we forgetting how bad Nuss looked at the beginning of the year? If he could improve, why couldn't Howard, if he believes in himself? He could still transfer after the spring, if that didn't go well for him. So while what you are suggesting could certainly be true, I find it at least equally as possible that what I'm saying is true.

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I’m not ignoring key parts of your argument. I’m asking you to explain how they make any logical sense. If he’s worried about ending up third string, that means he’s worried about beating out Nuss, which means he’s worried he might not get a chance to start until 2026. It takes a great leap of logic to conclude he would be willing to wait around until 2026 to start and is only concerned about being third string for one season. That’s what it takes to believe that Daniels’ return is the reason Howard transferred. It potentially hastened his departure, but he would not have remained long term.

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You are absolutely ignoring key parts, because you have just repeated the same question, which I've already addressed, and you just simply aren't acknowledging it. I'm going to say it again, now, as I stated before: Howard may have thought that he could beat out Nuss, but at worst be second string (or could have transferred after the spring, as I stated above). I never said he's ONLY worried about being 3rd string. I very clearly made the point that if Daniels had left, Howard would know that 2nd string would be worst case scenario, and he's in position to take the job away if anything goes wrong with Nuss. But with Daniels returning, there wasn't even a competition for the starting role, and beating out Nuss would at best put him 2nd string, and if he couldn't do that, he'd be back on the scout team.

That changes the "risk" assessment of returning, does it not? Being so far behind the incumbent starter, that the coach declares the competition for that job to be over, months before spring practice? And why do you say "that means he's worried about beating out Nuss" as if I ever stated that Howard would have thought himself to be the clear favorite over Nuss? He was always going to have to compete. Wherever he goes, he's going to have to compete. But there was no competing with an established starter coming back.


Lastly, I am making no "leap of logic" to conclude that he'd be willing to wait around til 2026. I never said this. The entire argument was about beating out Nuss this year, with no Daniels. The transfer option would have been open to him at ANY time, and in no scenario would he have been stuck waiting until 2026. You say "That’s what it takes to believe that Daniels’ return is the reason Howard transferred. It potentially hastened his departure, but he would not have remained long term", but you are assuming he had no chance, and believed he had no chance of beating out Nuss. That is merely an assumption, and I have no problem admitting that my theory is an assumption. But if you're going to "poke holes" in my theory, which suggests that you have actual information to the contrary, you can't just come at me with assumptions and treat them like they are facts. Again, my objective was presenting a plausible theory in response to the OP's question. I believe I've done that. Unless you know something that I don't.

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You still haven't read my position.

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I have now. It makes zero sense.

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Do not understand notion Howard left bc of Daniels

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Who knows why he left? The only thing I know is that it didn't bother me. In regards to legacy players, for every Peyton/Eli there's at least 100 other kids who never measured up to their dad's success.

Good luck to Walker at Ole Miss. We'll see how it plays out.

Who says he’s sitting. Lane unlike Kelly plays the best player. Experience and loyalty are out the window. If anyone can get him read to play it’s Lane K

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Again, my objective was presenting a plausible theory in response to the OP's question. I believe I've done that. Unless you know something that I don't.

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I think the issue here is that I was narrowly focused on the last question you asked in your original post, while you are more focused on other aspects of your comments. I interpreted your question about why he ever committed to LSU if he was concerned about Nuss as an indication that you felt Nuss’ presence on the roster was not a driver of his decision to transfer. If I read too much into that, then that’s my bad. The nature of my response really was no different than how you are describing your original response to the OP. You asked why he committed if he was concerned with Nuss and I provided plausible reasons why his concern for Nuss might have changed. I don’t really see that as a strong argument for Daniels being the problem vs Nuss.

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Do you really think he was content to wait until 2026 to start when he signed?

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He could compete for the job head to head after year 2 and still leave. I think he originally understood this to be the deal.

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That’s what it takes to believe that Daniels’ return is the reason Howard transferred. It potentially hastened his departure, but he would not have remained long term.

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I 100% believe Daniels' return is why he left this quickly. Otherwise, he stays at least one more year to compete and see how things go. Nuss could still start, but he's one bad QB play or injury away. His camp voiced during the season that they didn't like that he was on scout team and Daniels returning means he would be on scout team yet again.

I believe Howard is still here had Daniels gone pro. Even if Nuss started this year he could at least wait another year to see how it goes while getting more meaningful reps and experience.

I truly do not think it's about thinking he's going to have to wait several more years before he ever starts. I don't think he sat there and said dang I won't start until 2026. He saw he would be back on scout team and left. And if he had stayed getting better reps and got beat out after this season then he likely transfers anyways.

It's possible he transfers out anyways and it's possible he could have overtaken Nuss. He was never overtaking both Nuss and Daniels. And he probably didn't want to fall further behind his competition by being on scout team a 2nd straight season.