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re: Batter hit Garza glove off with the bat. Who’s fault?
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:28 pm to lsuag88
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:28 pm to lsuag88
As a hitter, you look for this opportunity if presented to you. It was mostly Henry throwing it too close to the batter. If he throws it just a little more outside, the batter would have had to step on the plate to hit his glove and would have been out.
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:28 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
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Where do you draw the line between catchers interference and purposely whacking a guy in the hand?
He had no idea he was coming UP to catch it. The problem was Garza went way UP into the batters box to catch it. He didnt make contact with him till the bat was basically halfway+ through his swing. It's not like he caught him on the initial part of the swing, the dude smacked his glove because Garza went way too far up into the batter's box to catch it.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:31 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
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Where do you draw the line between catchers interference and purposely whacking a guy in the hand?
You don't!
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:36 pm to lsuag88
Wait till you find out the batter gets bonus points if he hits the catcher of the back of the head.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:38 pm to omegaman66
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Where do you draw the line between catchers interference and purposely whacking a guy in the hand?
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You don't!
Exactly. Catcher's interference is Catcher's interference. It doesn't matter what the motive of the batter is.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:46 pm to lsuag88
Initial thought was it was a hit and run and he was protecting the runner but someone said the runner wasn't going. Pretty impressive to be looking at the pitcher but see the catcher sneaking up and have the ability to react and hit catcher's mitt.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:49 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
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Where do you draw the line between catchers interference and purposely whacking a guy in the hand?
You can whack that catcher however you want to and for whatever reason you want to during your swing, provided that your swing is a legal move. It's the catcher's responsibility to not be in the way of a legal swing, so if you can hit him or his equipment with a legal swing, he's in the wrong. The play finishes and the umpire awards the batter first. Any steals that were on at the time of the interference are awarded the bag. Any baserunners not forced to advance stay where they are.
It's a safety rule that gives the catcher no leeway for getting in the way of a legal swing because some of those crazy motherfrickers absolutely would sacrifice their bodies to break up a swing at crucial moments. Now, the batter can't just turn around and bludgeon the catcher because that's not a legal swing.
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:54 pm to thedentist45
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Initial thought was it was a hit and run and he was protecting the runner but someone said the runner wasn't going.
I don't remember seeing a replay that showed the runner but KP described the pitch out as "well-timed". To me that implied the runner was going.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:58 pm to Terrific Tales
No. My buddy and I were taking multiple screenshots of it. Both his feet finish over the plate.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:04 pm to lsuag88
Oh boy! Like this wasn't BEAT TO DEATH in the game thread already.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:07 pm to lsuag88
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Didn’t it look like the batter hesitated then swung anyway?
Henry fault for missing his spot/then Garza for going to get it. He was on top of the plate when he got hit.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:14 pm to StickD
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Pitch out has to be pitched out better. But it's more common nowadays to just throw the ball high and outside.
ummm what
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:21 pm to lsuag88
This was coach Dunn's fault and here's why.
When you call a pitch-out, the objective is to get the ball to second base faster than on a normal pitch to try to cut down the runner. ( I hope this is obvious to anyone watching baseball.)
The catcher is to 1)step out 2)see if the runner is going. If he does not go, the catcher is not going to move toward second base. If the runner does go, the catcher is going to have momentum to second base because again, they are trying to get the ball to second base faster.
The pitcher is to throw the ball to the catcher's head/neck area to make this process as fast as possible.
Carolina had a hit and run on and the batter on this play, regardless of where the pitch is located, is supposed swing, period.
Garza stepped out, saw the runner going and expected the ball in a different location. By the time Henry threw the ball Garza had already begun the process of what the pitch-out is intended for. Henry basically threw a strike on the outside corner and Garza had to make an adjustment just to try to catch the ball.
Because of the hit and run, the batter swung at what he thought was a normal pitch. That guy had no idea a pitch-out was called because of the baseball location.
Now I think all this was a missed signal on the part of Henry or miscommunication between the pitcher and catcher. I don't think Henry got the pitch-out signal at all. He was throwing a normal fastball.
There were cross-ups the whole game, at least six of them from my count. Now I don't know who was crossed-up but that is AD's responsibility to make sure everything is clear. Everyone was not on the same page.
When you call a pitch-out, the objective is to get the ball to second base faster than on a normal pitch to try to cut down the runner. ( I hope this is obvious to anyone watching baseball.)
The catcher is to 1)step out 2)see if the runner is going. If he does not go, the catcher is not going to move toward second base. If the runner does go, the catcher is going to have momentum to second base because again, they are trying to get the ball to second base faster.
The pitcher is to throw the ball to the catcher's head/neck area to make this process as fast as possible.
Carolina had a hit and run on and the batter on this play, regardless of where the pitch is located, is supposed swing, period.
Garza stepped out, saw the runner going and expected the ball in a different location. By the time Henry threw the ball Garza had already begun the process of what the pitch-out is intended for. Henry basically threw a strike on the outside corner and Garza had to make an adjustment just to try to catch the ball.
Because of the hit and run, the batter swung at what he thought was a normal pitch. That guy had no idea a pitch-out was called because of the baseball location.
Now I think all this was a missed signal on the part of Henry or miscommunication between the pitcher and catcher. I don't think Henry got the pitch-out signal at all. He was throwing a normal fastball.
There were cross-ups the whole game, at least six of them from my count. Now I don't know who was crossed-up but that is AD's responsibility to make sure everything is clear. Everyone was not on the same page.
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:23 pm to lsuag88
Do you know how incredibly fast the batter would have to be to notice Garza, decide to swing mentally, and then actually swing the bat?
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:24 pm to chinco banditos
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This was coach Dunn's fault and here's why.
Then you go on to explain how Henry missed his spot...which is what this really boiled down to. Take your tin foil hat off and realize that this doesn't go deeper than a missed spot.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:25 pm to chinco banditos
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:35 pm to ElOsoBlanco7
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Then you go on to explain how Henry missed his spot...which is what this really boiled down to.
I don't see how anyone couldn't understand that Garza is committed to his motion to 2nd base as soon as the ball was released from the pitcher's hand.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:37 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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Garza for going up to get it. Henry for not throwing it far enough high and outside.
Bingo we have a winner
Posted on 5/22/19 at 1:45 pm to lsuag88
Not really anyone to blame but that ball needed to be about a foot further outside and a foot higher.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:11 pm to lsuag88
Catcher interference all day every day.
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