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Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:59 pm to
Posted by ZaphodBeeblebrox
Member since Mar 2021
24 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:59 pm to
quote:

I know the lafourche tax assessor maps are pretty far off of actually property lines. So may not be the best judge.

Thanks, covered that in the OP.
quote:

I know the boundary line may not be accurate in the photo but I wan to know:
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62958 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:01 pm to
Google maps shows property lines, too. Wouldn't say that's super reliable, but will give another mark.

From what I can tell, maybe I'm looking at it wrong, or maybe Zappas Stache is right about drunks drawing lines, but it doesn't look like encroachment to me.

Even if it is, you have every right to make someone move a fence off your property.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
73681 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:02 pm to
Zillow has some half decent lines too, but they may get those from the assessors website.
This post was edited on 5/14/21 at 9:19 pm
Posted by Bow08tie
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2011
4238 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:19 pm to
A book with the convenents, legal description of property and all kinds of history of previous owners. Usually provided by developer or previous owner.
As said would contain a legal description of the property and perhaps a drawing of property
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
16491 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:24 pm to
quote:

I know the boundary line may not be accurate in the photo but I wan to know:


It’s not. Those lines are not intended for exact property line determination. It’s just an overlay that is usually off. As others have stated, get a survey is you want to know for sure.

If you ave access to a metal detector, you might try searching for the survey pins. Shouldn’t be to hard to find since you k ow approximately where the lines are.
Posted by geauxskeet
Member since Oct 2009
531 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:51 pm to
Tax assessor site is not accurate and says so, or at least every one we have ever used- and we use them hundreds of times a year. How did you buy property and not have it surveyed in the first place? Call a surveyor and get your checkbook ready.
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
38820 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:42 pm to
quote:

Tax assessor site is not accurate


This. You can't base anything off what they have. Anything online is not accurate. Only a legal survey means anything and you should have gotten one of those in your packet from the Title company when you closed.
Posted by BruslyTiger
Waiting on 420...
Member since Oct 2003
4621 posts
Posted on 5/15/21 at 5:36 am to
I discover the commercial property behind me had built the fence 3 get into my yard. Had a survey done and they were forced to move the fence and repair my property.
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
7568 posts
Posted on 5/15/21 at 7:43 pm to
Pay for a survey or go find the iron pipes at the property corners yourself with a shovel and/or metal detector.

Some google earth imagery regardless of the source is not an accurate measure to enforce your property limits or define encroachment.

Should cost $400-600 or so if you just need corners and no elevation.
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 5/15/21 at 7:54 pm to
quote:

Get a survey done.


My neighbor had a survey done when he was doing some work and my fence was about a foot on his property. He told me about it, showed me the survey and I agreed to move the fence. He paid for half and he didn't have to do that. Underneath I was miffed because its a small lot close to downtown, but it was the right thing to do.

Get a survey done.
Posted by rodnreel
South La.
Member since Apr 2011
1334 posts
Posted on 5/16/21 at 11:55 am to
As a licensed surveyor I would like to add the following.

When you clicked on the assessors maps there was a disclaimer, read it.

Aerial photos are taken in what looks like an inverted ice cream cone. As you get away from the center of the photo distortion comes in to play. A cad tech is reading everyone's deed and with his/her best guess drawing property lines on the photos. This info can easily be several feet off. Their purpose is for the assessor to have a better understanding of approximately what you property looks like. It has no more legal standing than using a crayon on toilet paper to represent your property.

Your property lines are determined by your deed which contains a description and most likely refers to a subdivision plat which may be recorded in an earlier document. Most likely metal monuments were set at the corners after the plat was approved and before it was recorded. These original monuments typically rebar or iron pipe control the location of your property. If your deed says 100' wide lot and your original monuments are 99.5' apart you now have a 99.5' lot. Nothing except in very rare instances can anything overrule them.

If one or more of the monuments get destroyed then the surveyor uses what is found plus the plat to reconstruct the missing monuments proper location and then reset it. If it is done wrong these reset monuments can have error. As a side note some monuments may not be set on the corners, the subdivision plat should give you this information.

To know for sure you need to hire a licensed surveyor, and don't let the lowest price influence your decision. I have spent many days in court disagreeing with the cheapest surveyor where they reset missing monuments.

You are paying for a professional opinion, so do you want the best or the cheapest.

This post was edited on 5/16/21 at 12:47 pm
Posted by texn
Pronouns: Y'All/Y'All's
Member since Nov 2019
3520 posts
Posted on 5/16/21 at 3:54 pm to
If the survey shows that a fence isn't located on the property line, you and your neighbor can enter into a Boundary Line Agreement whereby you agree that the property line is where the survey is and no once is trying to claim the other's property thru adverse possession because the fence isn't on the property line. Cheaper than having to move a fence.
Posted by ZaphodBeeblebrox
Member since Mar 2021
24 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 10:43 am to
quote:

When you clicked on the assessors maps there was a disclaimer, read it

I did, that's why I stated

"I know the boundary line may not be accurate in the photo"

But I guess everyone just wants to overlook it and tell me what I've already stated. Perhaps next time I will be more explicit that I know this is not to be used on legal documents and that the County Assessor makes every effort to produce the most accurate information possible. No warranties, expressed or implied are provided for the data herein, its use or interpretation. The assessment information is from the last certified tax roll. All other data is subject to change.

I appreciate your expertise and insight. You provided great detail about the intricacies of property lines.

Time to call a surveyor and pony up the $$$


Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
25114 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 10:58 am to
quote:

Open phone book


What's a phone book?

I haven't seen one in years.
Posted by DUKE87
Covington, LA
Member since May 2021
682 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 11:04 am to
quote:

Private firm or does the local authority normally offer a service?


You will spend a few hundred $'s and they will only lay out where your property lines are; draw it on paper/ computer and file it with the county/ parish (will be a fee).

Couple different surveys can be done:
ALTA/ACSM Survey.
Boundary Survey.
Construction Staking.
Location Survey.
Right-of-Way Survey.
Topographic Survey.

Boundary would be best in your case.

This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 11:13 am
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 11:30 am to
quote:

If the survey shows that a fence isn't located on the property line, you and your neighbor can enter into a Boundary Line Agreement whereby you agree that the property line is where the survey is and no once is trying to claim the other's property thru adverse possession because the fence isn't on the property line. Cheaper than having to move a fence.
Thanks. This was five-ish years ago and we were peripherially aware of that. I actually brought this point up, but I think he just wanted the extra foot and he agreed to pay 50% of the fence move for it (my lot was .14 acres and theirs was smaller, to give you an idea). If the roles were reversed, I would have done the same and offered to pay for a portion of the fence as well. No biggie in the end. They were friends and good neighbors.
Posted by Splackavellie
Bayou
Member since Oct 2017
9871 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 11:38 am to
quote:

Get a survey done.


/thread


The only answer.

Best bet money wise, will be to get a copy of the subdivision plat (courthouse or otherwise), find what surveyor did the original and call them up to locate/stake/set your corners. Since they did the original they will have everything they need to put it on the ground for you.
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 11:43 am
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20585 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 7:06 pm to
quote:

Get a survey done.


/thread


The only answer.


Actually there’s a better answer. Do you have a mortgage OP? If so you had a survey done. Find your closing docs, you have a survey in there. Read it, figure out the measurements. Go from there.

If you don’t have your closing docs you can contact the title company and if it was under 5 years ago they may have them still.

Posted by Maytheporkbewithyou
Member since Aug 2016
12663 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 7:21 pm to
quote:

My neighbor had a survey done when he was doing some work and my fence was about a foot on his property.


Same here. I bought the empty lots directly to the east and west of my property. I had to pay for a survey to be able to extend my privacy fence and the survey showed my fence was a foot on to my neighbor's property. I'm not the original owner.

I caught him outside and explained it to him. I offered to buy the one foot strip, but he turned me down. I told him that I would move the fence when we extended it and he laughed at me and told me he wasn't worried about it.

I'll probably have the fence guys move the fence line anyways. Is rather do it up front instead of 4 or 5 years down the road.
Posted by Sus-Scrofa
Member since Feb 2013
8199 posts
Posted on 5/17/21 at 7:55 pm to
Beware if the houses have changed hands a few times since the fences were put up.

In some jurisdictions if two adjacent owners ever got together and said “we don’t know where the line between our properties is, let’s agree to this,” and then they shook hands and built the fences, you may be stuck.
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