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re: Recommend me a diet/fitness plan Update 1

Posted on 11/2/22 at 12:29 pm to
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 11/2/22 at 12:29 pm to
I've done keto a couple times and it's very effective for short term loss doe me but I've found it's not sustainable


Consistency in excercise (lifting and daily walks) and not eating stupid shite has worked best for me long term.
This post was edited on 11/2/22 at 12:30 pm
Posted by OU812ME2
Earth
Member since Jun 2021
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Posted on 11/3/22 at 9:39 am to
I guess I misunderstood what brings you out of ketosis. I admit to not knowing much other than my experience the two times I've done it with success.

I always thought it was the carbs/sugar that kicked your body out. And that the fat was to get your body to start burning fat for energy instead of carbs/sugar. Along with that, I had read that having a much higher protein to fat ratio would make your body turn protein into carbs for energy. Again, I'm completely not an expert. It's a damn chore to find enough fat to equal out proteins for me.

My comment about Heart Attacks wasn't about plaque build up but more about being so far overweight and trying to jump into strenuous working out early while being so big.

I just hear a lot of people saying Keto doesn't work for me. When in all reality they would eat decent one day and then eat an order of fries the next thinking it was nothing but in reality it was knocking them out of ketosis again and again.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:59 am to
so keto is just a strategy to help people eat in a caloric deficit. it does not cause the loss of body fat than an isocaloric diet(one that has carbs, protein and fat) once calories and protein are equated.

ketosis just means you are using fat as fuel, it doesnt mean it is using body fat as fuel, could be dietary fat and in many cases it is. the reason you described on why people get out of ketosis is correct

keto works as a diet because many enjoy eating that away, this is the case for myself. it also works because long term it tends to cause people to eat slightly less without lower non exercise activity (NEAT).

I wasnt saying that keto doesnt work, i was simply clarifying why it works. there is nothing special about it(same with all "diets") in that once the calories and protein are equated....people tend to lose body fat at the same rate no matter the dieting strategy employed...well atleast up to about 95%.

the other 5% can be optimized with meal timing, exercise timing, supplement timing etc but frick....who has time for all that shite

now many cant do keto long term as a diet and that is fine too if you can stick to it.

Intermittent fasting falls in this exact same window. good strategy to remain or get into a caloric deficit but its only a strategy and shows same rate of body fat loss once calories and protein are equated

same goes for muscle building. keto has been shown in latest studies to not inhibit muscle gain to any real degree. its not optimal and neither is IF but both work.

ketogains has a good motto...protein is the goal, carbs are the limit, fat is the lever and never ever chase ketosis. if it happens, cool, if not who cares.
Posted by OU812ME2
Earth
Member since Jun 2021
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Posted on 11/3/22 at 12:06 pm to
Thanks. That clears quite a bit up. I do notice that I NEVER get close to my daily caloric intake as prescribed by the carb counting tracker I use. I'm usually at half, but my protein is almost always close to max. I started back on Keto with my wife to help her with a weight loss challenge at her work. I needed it, but honestly I just didn't have the discipline to start back.

She's always tried various diets to no avail and she was one of the biggest 'Keto doesn't work for me' people I knew. She never did it right. Now... she's on it and has lost over 25lbs and not too far from her goal. Discipline is always the problem. I assume any type of diet/weight loss will work as long as you maintain discipline. I find that logging every single thing that goes in helps a lot. It also makes me realize I'm bored, not hungry later at night. Oh and I feel so much better.

I hope the op is sticking to it and doing good. It's hard to eliminate sugar from an American diet because we're so loaded down with it in everything. But I find cooking meat ahead of time and having it for lunch helps a bunch. But we're usually below 5 carbs a day. I plan on switching over more to carnivore with some kale greens after our cruise coming up. Going to take a break on the cruise and enjoy myself and alcohol once again.
Posted by REB BEER
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Posted on 11/8/22 at 10:46 am to
It's been almost a month without an update. I think we lost Bow Dude.
Posted by Irregardless
Member since Nov 2021
2239 posts
Posted on 11/8/22 at 10:58 am to
quote:

I think we lost Bow Dude


It's easy to bow out if you aren't motivated enough. When I realized I might not meet my grandkids I got motivated. 25 lbs down since September. shite isn't easy. You have to want it.
Posted by REB BEER
Laffy Yet
Member since Dec 2010
18090 posts
Posted on 11/8/22 at 11:28 am to
It helps to have a group to hold you accountable. Started going to the gym before work 3-5 days a week with 3 friends 2 months ago. It makes it easier to get up at 4:15 and head to the gym when you know there's guys there waiting on you. I haven't seen a ton of weight loss (about 10#) but have definitely built stamina and a little muscle.
Posted by Tiger_n_Texas
Member since Aug 2014
1304 posts
Posted on 11/8/22 at 12:08 pm to
It takes time and dedication. I started last Nov. Lost 8 lbs Nov to Dec. Then Dec to Feb was only 2 lbs. Feb to March 7lbs. March to May 6 lbs. May to Sept 8 lbs. Sept to now 12 lbs.

As of this morning I'm down 43 lbs total. There was definitely periods where I felt like nothing was happening, but just kept pushing. I don't have anyone waiting for me at the gym, but I do have some connections I've made there. It definitely helps when you have someone that can motivate you to push for that little extra; even if it's just 5 minutes more.

Over the past year there's been little things happen that just want to make you push more. Polo shirts that used to fit now feel like a damn dress. Jeans that I haven't worn in a few years fit perfect. I mean hell, I was coming down the stair one morning and running late, I hadn't put my belt on yet and my shorts fell off. That one definitely had the kids laughing. The other big motivator is when you get random compliments from people you see on a regular basis but have never really had any interactions with.

Everyone who says it's a lifestyle change is 100% correct. It's very daunting to make all the necessary changes at once and (complete honesty) I couldn't do it all initially. I tried and failed at some of the necessary changes. Meal prep and tracking is an example. Tried it initially, but I was overwhelmed and just couldn't do it. Instead I started taking my time when eating as to let my stomach and brain get on the same page. Stopped making a 'happy plate' and thought long and hard about whether I REALLY needed more food, etc.

Now, I'm doing great, tracking my intake (food and water), sleep, and progressing at a decent rate. I don't REALLY know what fat % I've dropped, but my scale says I've dropped 7.1%. I'll take the number with a grain of salt as I have no clue if it is accurate. I can say for certain that I am definitely noticing definition on my arms and legs; it is an extreme motivator.

I know this was long-winded and rambled some, but just wanted to add it incase there are others like me who read a lot more on this board than they post.
Posted by REB BEER
Laffy Yet
Member since Dec 2010
18090 posts
Posted on 11/8/22 at 2:08 pm to
quote:

I was coming down the stair one morning and running late, I hadn't put my belt on yet and my shorts fell off. That one definitely had the kids laughing


I'm laughing too
Posted by Yeahbuddy35
Swagtown USA
Member since Nov 2021
175 posts
Posted on 11/8/22 at 4:26 pm to
@LSU777 "once calories and protein are equated"

What do you mean by this?
This post was edited on 11/8/22 at 4:26 pm
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
35949 posts
Posted on 11/9/22 at 12:40 pm to
quote:

I'm in with you. I started hard keto yesterday, 2000 calories / 25 net carbs per day. I didn't do the hour walk because I mowed the grass (1 acre with a push mower). I'll walk today. I did 5x5 of knee push-ups and squats. I'll increase that by 1 rep per set each week until I'm at 10x5.

Male, 6'0, 276 starting weight. End goal is 6'0, 180.


It's been about a month since that. I weighed in at 262 this morning, so down about 14 pounds. I'm up to 10x5 push-ups and air squats MWF, but the sets are still spaced throughout the day. Walking is going well though. I'm doing an hour at 3 incline and 3.3mph 6 days a week. It's a good hustle. Still averaging 1500 or so calories a day and 25 carbs, give or take 5. Hasn't been too bad. Still feel and look the same. It's gonna be a long journey.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38067 posts
Posted on 11/9/22 at 1:15 pm to
it means if calories and protein are equal you lose bodyfat essentially the same no matter all the other variables....if, keto, carnivore, low fat, 8 meals a day etc

sure there are some very small advantages to each of the above but 95% of your results will be acheived based off calories and protein.

essentially when you take the studies on iso-caloric dieting vs keto vs whatever and factor is equalize caloric deficit and protein....body fat loss is the same across the board...well within margin of error.



anybody reading this....if you are 50+ lbs overweight....just go get the doctor to prescribe a glp-1 peptide and get control of your life again. will save you a ton of heart ache(literally) in the long run.
Posted by Homey the Clown
Member since Feb 2009
6079 posts
Posted on 11/9/22 at 3:10 pm to
quote:

if you are 50+ lbs overweight....just go get the doctor to prescribe a glp-1 peptide

Hmm, how much should I weigh at 5'7"? Because I'm a solid 190 right now. Some might argue I'm 40ish pounds overweight...
Posted by FieldEngineer
Member since Jan 2015
2993 posts
Posted on 11/9/22 at 3:22 pm to
No kidding. What are some actual medication names that I could ask my doctor about? No serious side effects, weight loss, and heart improvements? Sign me up.
Posted by SimonSlick
Member since Oct 2007
3888 posts
Posted on 11/9/22 at 9:02 pm to
I weigh 178 at 5'7", so if you have a lot of muscle, you may not be too far off. I like this weight for me.
Posted by Irregardless
Member since Nov 2021
2239 posts
Posted on 11/9/22 at 10:00 pm to
The name brand drugs are Ozempic, Rybelus (or something like that) and maybe Wycovy? They all act the same. Mounjaro is a different peptide but has similar effects.

These are all diabetic treatments that have likely side effects of weight loss. But we’re talking 10% over a year for most studies.

Oh, and they cost around $1500 per month.
Posted by jonboy
Member since Sep 2003
7468 posts
Posted on 11/9/22 at 11:35 pm to
What are you guys thoughts on metformin?
Posted by Irregardless
Member since Nov 2021
2239 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 7:04 am to
Metformin is thought to have many positive effects. Weight loss isn’t huge. But it can cause some initial weight loss because you’ll probably be peeing out of your butt for a while.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38067 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 7:26 am to
ok homey and fieldengineer.....bro yall dont need a glp1 i dont think. and 5'7 190....what is your bf% cause you really need to be 25-30% minimum

i you want it from the doctor its called wegovy aka semiglutide, only go this route if you can get insurance to cover it or get the discout plan thing.

if you dont want to do the doctor route, can get it from peptide sciences from this interweb thingy

as vin diesel said "you can find anything on the internet BRIAN E Spilner!!"


as far as sides...the frick there are not...mainly just naseau and diarhea if you continue to decide to force feed yourself and eat items high in fat.

like i saw 1 guy complaining because he didnt like that he couldnt do his weekly family red gravy dinner because he could only enjoy 1 plate max without getting sick and it is tradition to have 3 or 4 plates :yaK: So when you read about side effects on reddit, keep in mind you are reading comments from people like above. people that are taking a literal mircle drug, a life saving drug for many, but get annoyed they have to change the way they eat.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38067 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 7:27 am to
quote:

What are you guys thoughts on metformin?


great anti aging drug, not crazy about it from a weightloss perspective and as mentioned the whole metformin shits can suck.

but for anti-aging and overall health...great drug.
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