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Is the barbell bench press too injury prone?

Posted on 1/18/23 at 9:17 am
Posted by ODP
Conroe
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 1/18/23 at 9:17 am
I'm 43, decided to get back on the barbell after being exclusive to dumbbells over the past 10 years. I noticed the more constricted movement of the barbell is causing pain in my shoulders. I always warm up my shoulders with face pulls. I haven't noticed this pain when doing DB BP. Could I be doing something wrong or does it come with the territory with my age?

Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
44922 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 9:27 am to
When I was in my 20s I would have shoulder issued when benching. I didn't know how to do them properly and I had my elbows flared out. I'm in my 40s now and havn't had any injuries from benching in over 2 years now being back at it. I started light and really focused on proper form.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38054 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 10:57 am to
quote:

I'm 43, decided to get back on the barbell after being exclusive to dumbbells over the past 10 years. I noticed the more constricted movement of the barbell is causing pain in my shoulders. I always warm up my shoulders with face pulls. I haven't noticed this pain when doing DB BP. Could I be doing something wrong or does it come with the territory with my age?


could be a bunch of things, mainly could be from form

but if they hurt, stop doing them. plenty of other horizontal press variations you can do like db bench/incline etc

many do have problems with barbell bench though and other than as a power movement its not the best for anything. feel free to do other variations.

if you wanna do barbell bench, start doing broomstick dislocates and then go to the facepulls then when you bench...retract the scaps(shoulder blades) and dont flair elbows. can also try a bosu ball under your upper back to allow some free movement of the scaps during the movemnet.

general rule of thumb though...if it hurts...dont do it.
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
15134 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 2:10 pm to
I have a strange shoulder issue ... Flat barbell bench I'm fine, standing military press is fine too, incline bench triggers awful pain in my left shoulder (I assume rotator cuff).
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22543 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 2:12 pm to
quote:

I'm 43, decided to get back on the barbell after being exclusive to dumbbells over the past 10 years. I noticed the more constricted movement of the barbell is causing pain in my shoulders. I always warm up my shoulders with face pulls. I haven't noticed this pain when doing DB BP. Could I be doing something wrong or does it come with the territory with my age?



Likely bad form. Gotta arch.
Posted by bamaguy17
Member since Jul 2022
1282 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 2:59 pm to
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incline bench

I hate incline barbell bench as a variation anyway. If I had heavier dumbbells, I would do flat DB press and CGBP as my variations. Right now I do SPOTO and CGBP
Posted by BoostAddict
Member since Jun 2007
3214 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 4:58 pm to
Try tucking your elbows in towards your sides. It relieves some of the stress off of the shoulders.
Posted by jose
Member since Feb 2009
29729 posts
Posted on 1/18/23 at 8:38 pm to
Yes.

I (probably) tore my labrum while in medical school doing bench press. I was too broke to get it checked out then so I just avoided everything to do with shoulders for weeks. Seemed like an eternity.

I can still rep the dumbbells for chest easily and just here recently do I feel like my barbell bench is getting better. Still scares me to go anywhere near 225 (that was the weight I hurt it).
Posted by LSUfan20005
Member since Sep 2012
9227 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:19 am to
I’m over 40, my solution:

-Get my volume with DB’s
-Get my intensity with Bar

I’ll do ramp up sets of 10 with DBs and then hit triples with bar. I’ll work up to a heavy 3 on bar and call it a day.

I find I can still lift heavy, but not get sore.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35931 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:57 am to
I don’t think it’s a move that we have evolved to need to do. In other words, how often, if you were a person in the wild, would you need to be utilizing strength in the same fashion as that which is required in a barbell bench?
If we haven’t evolved to do it then you will likely be setting yourself up for injury.

Just my .02.

Posted by jamiegla1
Member since Aug 2016
7944 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:12 am to
ive got a torn labrum and barbell bench made me feel the same way. I may have had bad form but dumbbells didnt cause me any pain so thats what I did.
Posted by bamaguy17
Member since Jul 2022
1282 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:15 am to
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move that we have evolved to need to do

We’re evolved to sit around and conserve energy, because who knows when the next meal will come. If you think of bench press as a movement where you lay down and push something up and down, you’re doing it wrong. It’s absolutely a full body movement. Back, legs, chest, triceps, abs.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22543 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:32 am to
quote:

I don’t think it’s a move that we have evolved to need to do. In other words, how often, if you were a person in the wild, would you need to be utilizing strength in the same fashion as that which is required in a barbell bench?
If we haven’t evolved to do it then you will likely be setting yourself up for injury.


Stahp
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38054 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:50 am to
quote:

I don’t think it’s a move that we have evolved to need to do. In other words, how often, if you were a person in the wild, would you need to be utilizing strength in the same fashion as that which is required in a barbell bench?
If we haven’t evolved to do it then you will likely be setting yourself up for injury.


so you dont think a horizontal push is a functional movement?

so you never pushed another human or some object away from you?

and the reason why flat barbell bench can be hard on the shoulders, besides mobility issues, is because your shoulder blade aka scaps, are fixed in place. this can tend to put many in a position where you are setting yourself up for labrum tear or impingement.

this can be fixed in a variety of ways but the 1st way to help is to retract the scaps and keep elbows tucked

2nd is programming

for those that mentioned having a possible torn labrum look at the crossover symmetry program. the shuolder repair program works wonders for most


and for the record...90% of people that have shoulder problems are because of internal rotation and a tight chest as a result. this can be fixed/greatly improved wihtin a month simply by doing 25-50 broomstick dislocates a day.
Posted by bayouvette
Raceland
Member since Oct 2005
5897 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:33 am to
Gotta find that groove your body likes. Could be as simple as the width of your grip. Don't go heavy till you figure it out.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35931 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:39 am to
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so you dont think a horizontal push is a functional movement?


You see a lot of gorillas and monkeys with massive chests relative to shoulders, back and triceps? Didn’t think so.

Not saying it should be neglected but it’s wildly over emphasized.

Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35931 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:59 am to
quote:

We’re evolved to sit around and conserve energy, because who knows when the next meal will come


Wrong

quote:

. It’s absolutely a full body movement. Back, legs, chest, triceps, abs.


Also wrong. I mean, I use my legs and abs doing dumbbell curls. Doesn’t make them a full body movement.
Posted by bamaguy17
Member since Jul 2022
1282 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:04 am to
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Also wrong. I mean, I use my legs and abs doing dumbbell curls. Doesn’t make them a full body movement

wow

good luck with your "functional" workouts.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 10:06 am
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35931 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:51 am to
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wow good luck with your "functional" workouts.


I mean I actually use a curling motion at least 50-100 times per day.

Outside of bench pressing I’m not sure I’ve ever been laying down on a platform with only my back and butt supported and needed to push anything of consequence off chest.

Maybe you should look up the definition of functional.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38054 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:10 pm to
quote:

Maybe you should look up the definition of functional.


or maybe you should learn to understand movement patterns and not just listen to what they tell you at the box

bench is a horizontal push, being supported has nothing to do with it. its a basic horizontal push period. why did it become popular...because its the easist to progressively overload unlike something like a weighted pushup.

everytime you push something away from you or get up off the ground etc...you are using the horizontal pushing motion.

same reason why if you are looking to build muscle and really strength in a vertical pressing movement...you should eventually move to a seated supported variation of the press that removes the stability aspect some.



and we 100% evolved to conserve energy. because we evolved to be the best at runnign long distance. they would sit around and then stalk prey until the prey collapsed. or they would sit around and then spring a trap on the prey.
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