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re: Why are beer menus at restaurants severely overlooked?
Posted on 11/30/18 at 5:59 pm to BugAC
Posted on 11/30/18 at 5:59 pm to BugAC
Be specific, what restaurant are you referring to. I can't recall any that only have 3 beer choices. I am guessing, you went somewhere that did not carry your super secret awesome craft beer from the NW, so you decided to whine.
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Posted on 11/30/18 at 11:25 pm to BugAC
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I never stated 100 beers.
Dude the very first point you made in relation to beer lists was that high end restaurants have over 100 wines.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 5:06 am to Saskwatch
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Now, you can find a good bottle of wine, regardless of price range, at a good grocery store (at least in N.O.). I think it's dumb to keep with the view that I need to be overcharged at an obscene rate for good wine at a high end restaurant when I can buy the same bottle for way less on my way home from work in the evening.
So you don’t think a high end restaurant will overcharge you for a beer?
And again with these restaurants are more expensive than dining at home. No shite.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 8:11 am to Mo Jeaux
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So you don’t think a high end restaurant will overcharge you for a beer?
Of course but it hasn't been double or triple the price that I've seen wine by glass or bottle.
Sometimes I'd rather beer. Sometimes I buy a bottle of the over priced wine.
I don't mind spending money on great food, drinks, and ambiance. I'm just making the point that people now have access to those things outside of fine dining.
This post was edited on 12/1/18 at 8:15 am
Posted on 12/1/18 at 8:24 am to Jax-Tiger
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Portland is an early innovator in the craft beer industry, and my guess would be that over time, more and more upscale restaurants will started curating craft beer selections - especially those that serve steaks, pizzas, seafood, and other foods that pair well with beer, and they will train servers to recommend specific styles that go with specific foods.
It's already changing nation wide. OP mentions the one "meh" local craft offering. 5 years ago you wouldn't even see that on a menu at an upscale restaurant.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 9:33 am to mmmmmbeeer
I agree with you OP. 5-10 well rounded beers is all most places need. Instead, you have something like 2 domestics on tap, heineken, Fricking Blue moon, and then 1 local beer. Why is the one beer sold every where fricking blue moon? I know its because the distributor pushes it, but its not a good wheat beer.
Give me some good drinkable beers with a small variety of a stout, red, saison, IPA, pale ale, etc.
But at the same time, I'm in my mid 30s and I only have a beer maybe 50% of the time at dinner. Depends on the food obviously. But if its a "nice dinner" its usually a bourbon to start and then a wine paired with dinner.
I'm drinking beer if I'm having more casual food though like Gumbo if I'm in Louisiana or local BBQ or something.
Give me some good drinkable beers with a small variety of a stout, red, saison, IPA, pale ale, etc.
But at the same time, I'm in my mid 30s and I only have a beer maybe 50% of the time at dinner. Depends on the food obviously. But if its a "nice dinner" its usually a bourbon to start and then a wine paired with dinner.
I'm drinking beer if I'm having more casual food though like Gumbo if I'm in Louisiana or local BBQ or something.
This post was edited on 12/1/18 at 9:34 am
Posted on 12/1/18 at 9:40 am to yaherrdme
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I am guessing, you went somewhere that did not carry your super secret awesome craft beer from the NW, so you decided to whine.
Crux of the issue. No matter what they carry, it’s not going to be enough to be a “good” list.
On top of that, trying to pair high end food with hoppy craft beers is ridiculous and forced.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 9:51 am to 3oliv3
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Dude the very first point you made in relation to beer lists was that high end restaurants have over 100 wines.
And? Again, I never stated 100 beers are needed. I never stated they need to reduce their wine list. In fact, in another post in this thread I brought up a suggestion of 4 additional beer options to the standard we typically see.
This post was edited on 12/1/18 at 9:53 am
Posted on 12/1/18 at 9:55 am to jaydoubleyew
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On top of that, trying to pair high end food with hoppy craft beers is ridiculous and forced
Not all craft beers are hoppy. IPAs are “hoppy”. There are a multitude of beer styles.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 9:59 am to jaydoubleyew
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On top of that, trying to pair high end food with hoppy craft beers is ridiculous and forced.
Pure ignorance.
Beer is so diverse, it can pair with anything.
Hoppy beers pair really well with spicy dishes.
Saisons pair really well with floral or more delicate dishes.
Stouts/porters pair well with rich dishes.
Sours are comparable to wine in their pairings.
And the styles of beer go further than that.
I’m so amazed at the amount of antiquated thinking when it comes to beer.
I’ll never understand the unwillingness to accept new things.
This post was edited on 12/1/18 at 10:00 am
Posted on 12/1/18 at 10:03 am to BugAC
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Not all craft beers are hoppy. IPAs are “hoppy”. There are a multitude of beer styles.
Before the craft beer "craze", I couldn't even find a decent porter on a restaurant menu, to say nothing of styles like Saison which, in my opinion, is probably the most versatile beer when it comes to food pairing.
People harping on IPAs are silly.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 12:21 pm to BugAC
If craft beer was profitable for a high end restaurant, they’d have it in there. The demand isn’t there. It may be one day
Liquor and wine doesn’t really go bad unless a bottle is corked or it breaks. Margins are great. With beer you have a limited market, it has a shelf life, and in order to profit you have to mark up an already expensive product. A Ghost in a high end restaurant would cost more than a glass of good wine. So you’d get your beer but then your issue would be price. Which all would be fine but most fine diners do not care about beer, much less craft beer
Liquor and wine doesn’t really go bad unless a bottle is corked or it breaks. Margins are great. With beer you have a limited market, it has a shelf life, and in order to profit you have to mark up an already expensive product. A Ghost in a high end restaurant would cost more than a glass of good wine. So you’d get your beer but then your issue would be price. Which all would be fine but most fine diners do not care about beer, much less craft beer
Posted on 12/1/18 at 12:25 pm to Salmon
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I’m so amazed at the amount of antiquated thinking when it comes to beer.
I’ll never understand the unwillingness to accept new things.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 12:26 pm to GynoSandberg
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If craft beer was profitable for a high end restaurant, they’d have it in there. The demand isn’t there. It may be one day
How do you know this? I was told that I was stupid to think the dining industry would not have done a profitability study on this.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 12:27 pm to GynoSandberg
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Which all would be fine but most fine diners do not care about beer, much less craft beer
I think something we should define is what, exactly, we're talking about when we say "high end" or "fine dining". I imagine that, depending on the poster, what people have in mind ranges from Texas de Brazil to The French Laundry, with an entire universe in between.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 1:12 pm to Janky
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How do you know this? I was told that I was stupid to think the dining industry would not have done a profitability study on this.
You also said craft beer was a billion dollar industry because of neckbeards, so yeah, you are stupid.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 1:12 pm to Joshjrn
As I was reading this thread, I was thinking the same thing.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 1:53 pm to Joshjrn
In New Orleans terms, i define commanders, Galatoire’s, August etc as fine dining. shite, they may even have craft beer, I’ve never looked. I just assume they don’t
That said, they’re are a lot of bar programs at some of the top restaurants in New Orleans that are serving craft beers. Two that are in my rotation, coquette and syvain, have pretty good selections. The newer, “hipper” places are slowly getting there as the beer market grows
That said, they’re are a lot of bar programs at some of the top restaurants in New Orleans that are serving craft beers. Two that are in my rotation, coquette and syvain, have pretty good selections. The newer, “hipper” places are slowly getting there as the beer market grows
Posted on 12/1/18 at 3:51 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
In Chicago, you can usually get a pretty decent beer selection at almost any level of restaurant...
I usually always start with a beer or two, and the missus with a cocktail.. before usually getting a bottle of wine..
I usually always start with a beer or two, and the missus with a cocktail.. before usually getting a bottle of wine..
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