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re: Wait til the world learns the vaxxed are the dangerous ones: 251x viral load as unvaxxed
Posted on 8/24/21 at 3:47 pm to bogeypro
Posted on 8/24/21 at 3:47 pm to bogeypro
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AND NOW BIDEN MANDATES NURSING HOME WORKERS TO GET THE VACCINE!!! hello??!!!! This will spread through older folks like shite through a tin horn.
So?
- Andrew Cuomo
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Posted on 8/24/21 at 5:11 pm to 00 Tech Grad
Complete bullshite. The website you linked said this:
That is NOT what the fricking study said. Let's quote the study:
Notice how it said "uninfected" controls, not unvaccinated. This study took place at a hospital in Vietnam. ALL the participants were healthcare workers, so I am sure they all were vaccinated. The study did not mention anywhere (that I can find) that the control group was unvaccinated.
What the paper says (as I highlighted in bold) is that people infected with Delta have a 251 times viral load compared to people infected with the Wuhan strain in 2020. That's all it says. Nowhere does it say the vaccine "caused" the higher viral load. You would need an unvaccinated control group for that which they didn't have. (In fact, it would be highly unethical to run a study in 2021 with an unvaccinated control).
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The study found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated.
That is NOT what the fricking study said. Let's quote the study:
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Between 11th–25th June 2021 (week 7–8 after dose 2), 69 healthcare workers were tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. 62 participated in the clinical study. 49 were (pre)symptomatic with one requiring oxygen supplementation. All recovered uneventfully. 23 complete-genome sequences were obtained. They all belonged to the Delta variant, and were phylogenetically distinct from the contemporary Delta variant sequences obtained from community transmission cases, suggestive of ongoing transmission between the workers. Viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant infection cases were 251 times higher than those of cases infected with old strains detected between March-April 2020. Time from diagnosis to PCR negative was 8–33 days (median: 21). Neutralizing antibody levels after vaccination and at diagnosis of the cases were lower than those in the matched uninfected controls. There was no correlation between vaccine-induced neutralizing antibody levels and viral loads or the development of symptoms.
Notice how it said "uninfected" controls, not unvaccinated. This study took place at a hospital in Vietnam. ALL the participants were healthcare workers, so I am sure they all were vaccinated. The study did not mention anywhere (that I can find) that the control group was unvaccinated.
What the paper says (as I highlighted in bold) is that people infected with Delta have a 251 times viral load compared to people infected with the Wuhan strain in 2020. That's all it says. Nowhere does it say the vaccine "caused" the higher viral load. You would need an unvaccinated control group for that which they didn't have. (In fact, it would be highly unethical to run a study in 2021 with an unvaccinated control).
Posted on 8/24/21 at 5:30 pm to AUstar
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AUstar
yea you gotta just go ahead and abandon all sense of logical data interpretation when discussing with anti-vaxxers.
theyll just go ahead and run with a headline from a notorious anti-vax propaganda group and Vehemently ignore the actual data and study that the headline was fabricated from.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 7:08 pm to PJinAtl
quote:and HC workers that didn’t leave the hospital fir 2 weeks
isn't drawing a comparison between viral loads of unvaxxed Delta vs. vaxxed Delta, it is comparing vaxxed Delta to unvaxxed Alpha.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 7:14 pm to AMS
quote:never talk down to your betters, scumbag
AMS
and vehemently GFY
Posted on 8/24/21 at 7:24 pm to David_DJS
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Unvaccinated, including those with natural immunity?
Good luck finding anything on that subgroup. Unvaxxed folks who had coof are like fight club. 1st rule of fight club...
Posted on 8/24/21 at 7:33 pm to ItNeverRains
quote:I am in that group - what am I supposed to do... first rule of fight club?
Good luck finding anything on that subgroup. Unvaxxed folks who had coof are like fight club. 1st rule of fight club...
Posted on 8/24/21 at 8:01 pm to ShinerHorns
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Those who got vaccinated are sick in the head. They don’t care unfortunately.
“We don’t care if you get vaccinated, just don’t tell us to.”
Y’all are so full of shite.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 8:28 pm to PJinAtl
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It isn't drawing a comparison between viral loads of unvaxxed Delta vs. vaxxed Delta, it is comparing vaxxed Delta to unvaxxed Alpha.
Shhh. Don’t spoil their idiotic take with facts even further that it is studying the Astrezeneca vaccine only too.
We don’t even offer that one here.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 8:34 pm to BobBoucher
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If they are carrying 251 times the viral load, not only is that the source for mutations, but where the hell is their immune system and why is it allowing it?
Some of you are really this stupid? Freaking Delta and Lambda developed in heavily unvaccinated countries, not in highly vaccinated ones.
Stop trying to pass on this bs that the vaccinated are causing the mutations. They are not.
The lack of understanding basic biology is dumbfounding.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 8:36 pm to AUstar
It's unfortunate that there are folks here who will read the thread title, believe it, and move on.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 8:42 pm to Geauxgurt
quote:I am shocked by this phenomenon. I really am
Stop trying to pass on this bs that the vaccinated are causing the mutations. They are not.
The lack of understanding basic biology is dumbfounding.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 8:44 pm to Robin Masters
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:17 pm to WeeWee
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It is a reward for getting vaccinated. Also 250x higher than the original covid is a 75% reduction in viral load since unvaccinated people have 1000x higher than the original covid viral load. The unvaccinated are required to be tested because they are 4x more likely to infect others than the vaccinated.
I think you need to site a study here. Everything I have read says the viral loads are comparable.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:21 pm to Geauxgurt
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Some of you are really this stupid? Freaking Delta and Lambda developed in heavily unvaccinated countries, not in highly vaccinated ones.
Stop trying to pass on this bs that the vaccinated are causing the mutations.
I have seen and heard virologist state that vaccines that don’t completely/properly suppress viral replication, place evolutionary pressure on the virus encouraging mutations.
Guess they lack a basic understanding of biology too?
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:22 pm to RiverCityTider
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Everything I have read says the viral loads are comparable.
Well, with the risk the vaxxed took by allowing an experimental substance to be put into their body that had NEVER been given to HUMANS, it damn well should not be comparable AT ALL.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:25 pm to RiverCityTider
LINK
I’ll let the other poster speak for himself, but this was the study that showed viral load at 1000x
I’ll let the other poster speak for himself, but this was the study that showed viral load at 1000x
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:01 pm to BobBoucher
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I have seen and heard virologist state that vaccines that don’t completely/properly suppress viral replication, place evolutionary pressure on the virus encouraging mutations.
Guess they lack a basic understanding of biology too?
No, they just either do a piss poor job explaining things or could misstate.
Vaccines, even “leaky ones” help way more than they harm. Further, as another poster said, they do not cause more mutation although they may direct mutations in some sense. That doesn’t mean they are making things worse as you’d like to believe.
They are helping, and simply joy as effective against these variants as hoped. The thing about the mRNA vaccines is they allow for rapid modification of their sequencing to add some protection to the variants at an exponentially quicker rate than any of their vaccines to date.
But since some of you actually think mRNA magically reverses the gene expression process to be converted backwards into DNA and then somehow get back into the nucleus, and then into the nucleolus where it somehow finds machinery it doesn’t have to incorporate into the cells chromosomes, you’d have a point. All without the mRNA degrading quickly.
The point is that there are misleading and poor understandings of how things work and it is leading many of you to believe things that are simply untrue based on a side you’ve taken in this debate.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:19 pm to Hangover Haven
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Jesus Christ... It was a study based in a third world country...
So the lessons can be applied to New Orleans ?
Posted on 8/25/21 at 4:09 am to tigerfoot
What a prestigious study…
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While moderating the symptoms of infection, the jab allows vaccinated individuals to carry unusually high viral loads without becoming ill at first, potentially transforming them into presymptomatic superspreaders.
This phenomenon may be the source of the shocking post-vaccination surges in heavily vaccinated populations globally.
presumably transmitted the Delta variant to their vaccinated colleagues.
They almost certainly also passed the Delta infection to susceptible unvaccinated people, including their patients.
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