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re: Forced vaccination by employers is a real possibility in the next few months…legally?

Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:02 pm to
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46353 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:02 pm to
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I'm sorry miss, but we need you to get tubal ligation to work here.



I don’t think a lot of people have considered the ramifications of forced vaccination…..it opens up a lot of questions.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11196 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:09 pm to
No social scoring is next. Our private and public sector are married at this point so they’ll have total control in a few decades without push back.
Posted by 87PurpleandGold
Arkansas
Member since Sep 2016
502 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:47 pm to
There will be a tsunami of lawsuits. It's coming.
Posted by LaylaClapton
Member since Aug 2021
212 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:53 pm to
"FORCED" vaccination?? Sounds like a good way for a lot of employers to get hurt... permanently.
Posted by jennBN
Member since Jun 2010
3151 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:58 pm to
I think it will be mandatory at all jobs by 2022. I believe the courts will back the employers. I would imagine religious exemption would still have to be honored.
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:58 pm to
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social scoring is next



I'm afraid you are not far off.

I'm very liberal, or at least I would have been considered very liberal in 2010, but liberals today terrify me.
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
16272 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:11 pm to
Does it matter? Gov and corporations are colluding.


They've created the foundation for a fascist utopia.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Member since Jan 2010
36765 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:14 pm to
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wonder what happens to an employer who asks a candidate during employment screening if they were a practicing homosexual? Let’s say this employer has health insurance data that supports his position that gay men have more medical costs due to their homosexuality, would that be acceptable?

From the CDC …….


Just like all other men, gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men need to know how to protect their health throughout their life. For all men, heart disease and cancer are the leading causes of death. However, compared to other men, gay, bisexual and other men who have sex with men are additionally affected by:

Higher rates of HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs);
Tobacco and drug use;
Depression.
There are many reasons why gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men may have higher rates of HIV and STDs. Some of them are:

Prevalence of HIV among sexual partners of gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men is 40 times that of sexual partners of heterosexual men;
Receptive anal sex is 18 times more risky for HIV acquisition than receptive vaginal sex;
Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men on average have a greater number of lifetime sexual partners.


Well in that case you're a protected class because of your sexuality. So you may have legal grounds to protect yourself from your employer
Posted by oklahogjr
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Member since Jan 2010
36765 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:56 pm to
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'm very liberal, or at least I would have been considered very liberal in 2010, but liberals today terrify me.


Well most of today's liberals are too busy sky screaming about random injustices instead of finding ways to actually deal with them amicably. Both sides of extremist seem to have decided it's an all or nothing game.

We can't do anything about healthcare because we either have to have a government takeover or remove any protections for the individual to drive costs down.

We can barely even handle infrastructure investment and everyone agrees its something we need.

We would never dream of even discussing more rights for citizens and removing rights from businesses. ie not treating them as people with rights but establishing them as organizations that need rules to protect our individual rights as well as safeguard our economy from predatory business behaviors on the individual while driving competition as best we can.


Posted by Jumbo_Gumbo
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2015
5712 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:13 pm to
This is great. I don’t expect my company to act until it is FDA approved, but will definetly be looking for the updated form when that happens
Posted by Speckhunter2012
Lake Charles
Member since Dec 2012
5948 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:57 pm to
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. I would imagine religious exemption would still have to be honored.


I’m having a barn raising. Any of my fellow Amish Brethren want to help?
Posted by mike2019tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2021
38 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:26 am to
I think it is wrong to force people to take any medication ( especially experimental vaccination ). I have taken the vaccine but feel I have no right to preach vaccination or against it.

Also we are on a slippery slope. Today it is a experimental vaccine, tomorrow it is an experimental drug and the day after we have to surrender medical records and the right to privacy all but disappears.

So forced vaccinations are a really BAD idea and is un-democratic.

But...

quote:

my body, my choice.


Funny when right wing loons are using this slogan. I guess now you know how ladies feel about you sanctimonious, self styled moral policemen want to intrude into their bodies.


Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
14934 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 4:54 am to
Right now so many places are down employees and can’t hire for shite, talking actual corporate jobs here, that firing someone over a jab would cause a company issues.
Posted by jwill37
The Chuck
Member since Jan 2007
1383 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 5:55 am to
My employer is requiring vaccination or daily negative COVID-19 test. It’s unbelievable how far our country has fallen. People need to stand up to this shite. The only way it will change is an uprising and other companies saying come work for me I don’t require vaccination. This I actually an opportunity for small business to pluck some good employees from these large corporations. We’re at war folks make no mistake about it. Just a different kind right now. I’m all for supporting whoever feels they need the vaccine but to force that upon others is just plain wrong.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20927 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 6:29 am to
At will employment strikes again. Their workplace, their rules.
Posted by jwill37
The Chuck
Member since Jan 2007
1383 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 6:31 am to
That’s correct however I’m held to a noncompete agreement. Being vaccinated was not a condition of my original employment agreement so I’m curious if this would provide a way out.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34396 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 6:36 am to
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Well, lack of FDA approval was a huge point made thousands of times on this board for why people wouldn't take the vaccine.

Yet you still have instances where the vaccine is being mandated, in both right to work states AND union supporting states. Sadly, the courts have backed the employer in these scenarios.
As such, FDA approval is now a moot point..
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I guess if the FDA approves a drug I’m suddenly supposed to trust the federal government now

Why would anyone with a discerning approach trust the government? The CDC, NIH, and state / local health care directors have been caught in lies (repeatedly). The ONLY THING that they have in common as of late is their unified mantra of...”get the vaccine or die.”
I’m not anti-vaccine, but let’s not pretend that those in charge haven’t repeatedly stepped on their own dicks. They truly have been their own worst enemy.

The question I have is once the mandate hits, and a sizable portion of the population says no, what then?

Supply chain disruptions?

Lockdowns?

Worse (riots leading to martial law?).

The ineptitude of the government has put our nation in a position that I’m not comfortable with. When Dr. Fauchi and Dr. Catherine O’Neal are basically now in charge at the federal and state level via CDC “recommendations” (aka mandates)...that’s worrisome.


Posted by theronswanson
House built with my hands
Member since Feb 2012
2976 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 6:50 am to
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didn’t even think about that. Unions should be at the forefront of this issue in trying to recruit all sorts of workers to join in order to fight any mandate. And this can also serve as a catalyst to get employers to stop issuing mandates.


So now this board is PRO unions?!? And also against private businesses having the freedom to operate how they see fit?!? And suing a company if there is a bad reaction to the vaccine?! Sounds like this board is pro-union, anti free market and wants the job makers to operate in a judicial hellhole.
Posted by LSUfan20005
Member since Sep 2012
8821 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 7:01 am to
On the flip side, it’s clear corporations and government are colluding on policies, along with the courts. If corporations act this way, they are just as anti-free market as unions.
Posted by oklahogjr
Gold Membership
Member since Jan 2010
36765 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 7:41 am to
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So now this board is PRO unions?!? And also against private businesses having the freedom to operate how they see fit?!? And suing a company if there is a bad reaction to the vaccine?! Sounds like this board is pro-union, anti free market and wants the job makers to operate in a judicial hellhole.



Most are just pro lashing out at anything in the news honestly. Been lots of good discussion in this thread though.
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