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re: Forced vaccination by employers is a real possibility in the next few months…legally?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:26 pm to oklahogjr
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:26 pm to oklahogjr
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It's one of the reasons I am for socialized medicine actually, healthcare tied to employment makes no sense and had been a disastererous way to distribute care effectively.
I knew you were a fricking loser.
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What your statement really says is, you lack the talent to find a job with good health insurance so frick everyone who has a good job.
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Typical fricking Liberal.
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:28 pm to 93and99
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knew you were a fricking loser.
What your statement really says is, you lack the talent to find a job with good health insurance so frick everyone who has a good job.
Typical fricking Liberal.
Huh? Well whatever makes you sleep better at night.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:32 pm to boogiewoogie1978
So no slippery slope here? What else will the authoritarians mandate that infringes on personal freedoms as a condition of employment…..hmmmm?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:33 pm to DotBling
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Your example is ridiculous. Any reasonable person wouldn’t expect a medical procedure to be an employment requirement, especially AFTER the fact.
its not a medical procedure. Plenty of private companies require current vaccines or the yearly flu shot as a condition of employment.
its real simple, a private company should be able to require it if they want just like their competition should be able to put billboards advertising that they do not require it.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:33 pm to oklahogjr
Such a loser.
Just like a Liberal, wants others to subsidize their life.
Sorry you came from a bad home.
Just like a Liberal, wants others to subsidize their life.
Sorry you came from a bad home.
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:36 pm to Bass Tiger
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What else will the authoritarians mandate that infringes on personal freedoms as a condition of employment…..hmmmm?
Your employer in an at will state can already require just about anything he wants that doesn’t violate the few specific exceptions established by law. At will employment is a broad brush.
The vaccine mandates doesn’t really change anything. He can in large part already hire or fire you based on his arbitrary preferences and whims, etc.
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:38 pm to 93and99
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Such a loser.
Just like a Liberal, wants others to subsidize their life.
You can disagree with him, as I do, but he’s not a loser for pointing out that there are inherent issues with our reliance on employer-provided healthcare. It isn’t a black and white issue.
His post on the subject wasn’t obnoxious or inflammatory.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:53 pm to Indefatigable
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You can disagree with him, as I do, but he’s not a loser for pointing out that there are inherent issues with our reliance on employer-provided healthcare. It isn’t a black and white issue.
His post on the subject wasn’t obnoxious or inflammatory.
exactly.
but ftr employer provided health care is a seperate issue and has nothing to do with at will employment.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:05 pm to lsu777
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I 100% support the right of any private company to make it a requirement as part of employment
So you are 100% cool if an employer told all women in the office they had to get the birth control shot to remain employed? You must be.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:06 pm to lsu777
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its not a medical procedure. Plenty of private companies require current vaccines or the yearly flu shot as a condition of employment.
MRNA is a medical procedure. You are dumb.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:11 pm to Townedrunkard
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So you are 100% cool if an employer told all women in the office they had to get the birth control shot to remain employed? You must be.
yes if they are a private company.
would you want the government telling you what you could do if you owned a private company?
that is how we end up with bakeries having to bake a cake with a dick on it and hire trannies....well because.
frick that. freedom and personal property rights.
in your example any smart competitor would put a sign up advertising that they dont mandate thier employees take pills or vaccines and would steal all the good employees. Also the competitor would put signs up all over town advertising what the original company did and the free market will take care of it self.
employers should be able to hire and fire as they see fit, for whatever reason they see fit.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:14 pm to DotBling
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MRNA is a medical procedure. You are dumb.
no it isnt. but even if it is, so what, a private company should be able to require whatever they want as condition of employment. If a private company wants all females to be fixed and males to be fixed.....thats their right as a PRIVATE company. if the company decides all males must be circumcised and women can not have boobs over a certain size....they should be able to. its a damn private company.
makign exceptions is how you get into the dumb arse situation where you have to bake a cake for people because they are protected class. thats dumb, nobody is protected. its free will. free to hire fire you and you are free to work their or somewhere else.
and trust me you dont want to start comparing IQ.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:16 pm to lsu777
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but ftr employer provided health care is a seperate issue and has nothing to do with at will employment.
I know, but oklahog mentioned it in one of his posts, which is what started that line of replies.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:19 pm to Townedrunkard
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So you are 100% cool if an employer told all women in the office they had to get the birth control shot to remain employed? You must be.
I don’t think said employer would have any women in the office after making that demand.
Do I support forced birth control? No
Do I support the right of an employer to run his own business into the ground by establishing preposterous and personally invasive conditions on employment? Yes. He won’t have employees for very much longer, as they are free to quit and work somewhere else.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:26 pm to Bass Tiger
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Forced vaccination by employers is a real possibility in the next few months…legally?
I heard on the news this morning that many Americans who are telling the government and their employers to pound sand on forced vaccination may have a more difficult time doing so.
Today many Americans are telling the various authorities who are demanding they be vaccinated that the vaccines are not FDA approved and still considered experimental. Well, the local news said that Pfizer’s vaccine will be officially FDA approved in the next few months and then all hell breaks loose when your employer says the vaccine is FDA approved and mandatory for employment.
I guess if the FDA approves a drug I’m suddenly supposed to trust the federal government now. Do you see what happens when corrupt and unethical people who are entrenched throughout our federal government destroy tens of millions of Americans faith in our government and it’s related agencies and institutions?
THEY DON’t TRUST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ANY LONGER!
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Bass Tiger: I think as of now, maybe not yet, but at some point I think the vaccine will be mandated to engage in commerce, travel, go to a college campus etc.
I am not basing this on my personal views but the US 7th Circuit Court of Appeals (Case No 21-2326) ruled 3-0 against a group of Indiana students who challenged IU's vaccine mandate.
Here is the interesting thing, all 3 of the Judges would be considered Constitutional Conservatives. Judge Eastbrook was appointed by President Reagan and Judges Scudder and Kirsch by President Trump.
They cited precedent going back to 1905 when residents of MA challenged the the state of MA's smallpox vaccine mandate . US Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Massachusetts Mandate.
So it seems once FDA approval is granted, the weight of US law is on the side of mandates.
FYI, I am only responding to your question and while I am vaccinated, based on consultation with my Doctor, I am not in favor of any mandate prior to full FDA approval.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 3:01 pm to Indefatigable
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You can disagree with him, as I do, but he’s not a loser for pointing out that there are inherent issues with our reliance on employer-provided healthcare. It isn’t a black and white issue.
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 3:03 pm to Bass Tiger
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orced vaccination
It's not a vaccine.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 3:19 pm to Bass Tiger
I have zero doubt that once it is fully approved everywhere you go you will be hit with a mandate to get it. It’s gonna be a total shitshow
Posted on 8/4/21 at 3:36 pm to oklahogjr
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I am 100% positive my employer should have no fricking say in my healthcare
But they do since they are essentially paying for your company sponsored healthcare plan
Posted on 8/4/21 at 3:49 pm to Bass Tiger
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Forced vaccination by employers is a real possibility in the next few months…
You will not be forced. You would still have the option to not get the vaccine, but just be prepared for possible repercussions.
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