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re: Forced vaccination by employers is a real possibility in the next few months…legally?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:42 am to Lg
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:42 am to Lg
some of ya'll are some wishy washy mother frickers.
i 100% support anyones right to not get the vaccine.
I 100% support the right of any private company to make it a requirement as part of employment
I 100% support the right of any private company to not make it a requriement
same with facemask
they are private companies they can and/or should be able to, hire and fire at will. just like you should be able to go to another company at will
either you support personal property rights or you dont.
did yall take this kind of stand against other vaccines? Did yall go to schools that didnt require proof?
all of this is of course after full fda approval is given?
i 100% support yalls rights to tell yoru employer to get fricked though.
But in the future I dont want to hear the arguement about erradicted diseases coming back due to the unvaccinated as a reason for immigration control( i 100% support immigration control to the point there should be zero immigration right now), but dont fricking use that arguement.
i 100% support anyones right to not get the vaccine.
I 100% support the right of any private company to make it a requirement as part of employment
I 100% support the right of any private company to not make it a requriement
same with facemask
they are private companies they can and/or should be able to, hire and fire at will. just like you should be able to go to another company at will
either you support personal property rights or you dont.
did yall take this kind of stand against other vaccines? Did yall go to schools that didnt require proof?
all of this is of course after full fda approval is given?
i 100% support yalls rights to tell yoru employer to get fricked though.
But in the future I dont want to hear the arguement about erradicted diseases coming back due to the unvaccinated as a reason for immigration control( i 100% support immigration control to the point there should be zero immigration right now), but dont fricking use that arguement.
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:44 am to lsu777
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I 100% support the right of any private company to make it a requirement as part of employment
The authoritarian left isn’t even trying to hide it anymore folks.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:45 am to ShinerHorns
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The authoritarian left isn’t even trying to hide it anymore folks.
Private property rights and at-will employment are absolutely not "authoritarian left" principles.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:47 am to lsu777
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100% support the right of any private company to make it a requirement as part of employment
I 100% support the right of any private company to not make it a requriement
I am 100% positive my employer should have no fricking say in my healthcare
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:50 am to oklahogjr
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I am 100% positive my employer should have no fricking say in my healthcare
He doesn't. The choice is completely yours to make. No one owes you a job, and you are free to look elsewhere if you don't like or agree with conditions set by the employer.
"At will" works both ways. Of course if you are in a union state, work under a CBA, or have a contract that addresses vaccinations then its a little different.
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 11:52 am
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:52 am to ShinerHorns
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The authoritarian left isn’t even trying to hide it anymore folks.
brother anything but.
you dont understand...its a private company. either you support private property rights or you dont.
what you are askign for is authortarian. You are asking the government to step in and stop private companies from doing as they please.
i am extreme right wing, libertarian in 95% of my views. you are the one being a authoritatian left.
private companies should be able to hire and fire as they please. simple as that.
if my company comes out and says we now require twic cards or rfid implants, i either have to comply or they can fire me so long as its fda approved.
its called conditions of employment. now i will 100% support your right to unionize if you want. ill even come out and bring food and drinks to yall picketing.
i made a personal decision to get the shot, but that was my decision and I 100% support your right to not get it. But making a choice doesnt mean their are not consequences to those actions.
just like freedom of speech doesnt mean you are free from consequences. It simply means you cant be arrested for those things or prosocuted by the government for saying those things.
personally i had a shite ton of side effects from the shot and spent a week with my blood oxygen levels in the upper 80s. But again I made the decision, i wasnt forced.
I hope for yalls sake you arent forced by employmers to take it, but I will support thier right to require it just like i will support your right to tell them to frick off.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:53 am to Indefatigable
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I am 100% positive my employer should have no fricking say in my healthcare
He doesn't. The choice is completely yours to make. No one owes you a job, and you are free to look elsewhere if you don't like or agree with conditions set by the employer.
"At will" works both ways. Of course if you are in a union state, work under a CBA, or have a contract that addresses vaccinations then its a little different.
exactly. its at will. dont like it, form a union with a contract that says they cant force you....otherwise, its their property you are entering and they can force certain requirements to enter.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:54 am to Indefatigable
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Indefatigable
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Private property rights and at-will employment are absolutely not "authoritarian left" principles.
exactly..they are too stupid to understand they are the exact opposite.
its freedom. employers have freedom, employees have freedom.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:55 am to Bass Tiger
quote:Well, lack of FDA approval was a huge point made thousands of times on this board for why people wouldn't take the vaccine.
I guess if the FDA approves a drug I’m suddenly supposed to trust the federal government now
But...
I hope there is a way that forced vaccinations can be shot down. I do not agree with that at all.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:55 am to oklahogjr
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I am 100% positive my employer should have no fricking say in my healthcare
also understand that even if they dont requrie the vaccine you are voluntarily receiving company negotiated and provided and supplemented insurance. they 100% have the right to drop you on the basis that you are driving up the cost of everyone elses insurance should you make the personal decision to not get the shot.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:57 am to Indefatigable
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He doesn't. The choice is completely yours to make. No one owes you a job, and you are free to look elsewhere if you don't like or agree with conditions set by the employer.
"At will" works both ways. Of course if you are in a union state, work under a CBA, or have a contract that addresses vaccinations then its a little different.
I'm fortunate enough to have a company that doesn't care.
I've also had th shot.
I am definitely more left about it in saying i support protections from government over our employers preventing their involvement in healthcare.
It's one of the reasons I am for socialized medicine actually, healthcare tied to employment makes no sense and had been a disastererous way to distribute care effectively.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:57 am to MMauler
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MMauler
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Seriously, stop giving your completely f*cking moronic legal advice. You might be one of the most ignorant motherf*ckers I’ve ever come across on the Internet. Pretty much everything you’ve posted is f*cking garbage
why are you getting so mad?
he is right. any private company in an at will state can simply say your fired once this is fda approved.
what part of private property rights do you uneducated mother frickers not understand.
it works both ways.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:59 am to loogaroo
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Good time to start some new unions.
Republicans really thought they were sticking it to the unions with at-will employment laws. Some are now wishing they had a union contract representing them. Be careful what you wish for
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:59 am to lsu777
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i 100% support yalls rights to tell yoru employer to get fricked though.
I am an employer and would never ask my employee's to do something I wouldn't do. And even at that, I would never mandate that my employee's do something against their will.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:03 pm to oklahogjr
quote:You voted for this.
I am 100% positive my employer should have no fricking say in my healthcare
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:07 pm to Snake Arbuckle
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Republicans really thought they were sticking it to the unions with at-will employment laws. Some are now wishing they had a union contract representing them. Be careful what you wish for
This is what occurs when people develop political opinions based around partisan lines and/or short-term results, instead of actual principles.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:14 pm to Indefatigable
Vaccinations are legal it is a private business so it can do as it likes. The Federal Government or any government can not force you to take it though.
I mean it is going to be interesting case if a Federal employee sues the government over this. But not sure they can. They can also say it is a requirement much like have a degree is a requirement.
I mean it is going to be interesting case if a Federal employee sues the government over this. But not sure they can. They can also say it is a requirement much like have a degree is a requirement.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:17 pm to Jake88
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You voted for this.
The right wingers voted heavily for a lot of the policies that allow this.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:20 pm to oklahogjr
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The right wingers voted heavily for a lot of the policies that allow this.
i am far right wing and 100% support employers being able to require it.
i dont like it and hope any that do fail, but i support thier right to do so.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:25 pm to lsu777
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what you are askign for is authortarian. You are asking the government to step in and stop private companies from doing as they please.
Your example is ridiculous. Any reasonable person wouldn’t expect a medical procedure to be an employment requirement, especially AFTER the fact.
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