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re: Should teachers be paid on student performance?
Posted on 5/4/21 at 2:42 pm to idlewatcher
Posted on 5/4/21 at 2:42 pm to idlewatcher
quote:It's not just crappy school districts. The program applies to any district with a certain percent of underprivileged youth. The last time I checked, almost every (if not every) school district in LA was eligible.
Not sure about where you are, but new college grads with student loans can hop into a crappy school district, teach for I believe it's 5 years, then all of their student loans are forgiven free and clear.
It allows a new teacher who has zero real world teaching experience to hide behind a failing school district. Never been a fan of that program.
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Posted on 5/4/21 at 2:43 pm to bogeypro
No
they should be paid based on their performance.
they should be paid based on their performance.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 2:46 pm to bogeypro
Based on baseline testing from when they come in the classroom until they leave?
Sure. It should probably be 40-50% of their job evaluation.
The rest could be standard employee metrics like attendance, being able to work with others, etc.
Sure. It should probably be 40-50% of their job evaluation.
The rest could be standard employee metrics like attendance, being able to work with others, etc.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 2:46 pm to bogeypro
If they get to choose who's in their class, then yeah
Posted on 5/4/21 at 2:47 pm to idlewatcher
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Not sure about where you are, but new college grads with student loans can hop into a crappy school district, teach for I believe it's 5 years, then all of their student loans are forgiven free and clear.
The challenge of teaching in those school districts is usually far greater than the assistance offered in loan forgiveness. At least it is in Missouri.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 2:48 pm to IceTiger
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If they get to choose who's in their class, then yeah
In other professions, does everybody get to choose their customers? Their competitors? What is so sacred about teaching that the profession warrants being protected from the real world?
Posted on 5/4/21 at 2:48 pm to Michael T. Tiger
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Teachers cannot possibly be held responsible for the shite homes that too many students come from where they don't have any parental support.
Then shut down all schools. If teachers can’t impact student learning, shut all the schools down.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 2:49 pm to David_DJS
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In other professions, does everybody get to choose their customers? Their competitors? What is so sacred about teaching that the profession warrants being protected from the real world?
Nothing. Most teachers haven’t been in other job positions to understand everyone gets evaluated this way. How did you impact your organizations progress?
Posted on 5/4/21 at 2:49 pm to bogeypro
So Louisiana was headed down this road by back tracked some.
Student performance should definitely play a part. But there needs to room for principals to play a role for things that aren't easily captured by testing. Both of these happened, and both are better then flat step increases.
It will start to swing back more toward performance when JBE leaves.
Student performance should definitely play a part. But there needs to room for principals to play a role for things that aren't easily captured by testing. Both of these happened, and both are better then flat step increases.
It will start to swing back more toward performance when JBE leaves.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 2:57 pm to bogeypro
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Maybe that will encourage teachers to want to go to underperforming schools and make them better
Nothing will change this as long as black culture emphasizes athletics over academics and makes fun of kids who do well I school for being "too white".
Posted on 5/4/21 at 2:58 pm to gobuxgo5
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I dont think standardizing test scores helps in any way. My 8 year old has the intelligence of a Navy Seal when playing fortnite.
Sounds like you let your kid play too much on the computer
Posted on 5/4/21 at 2:59 pm to the808bass
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Then shut down all schools. If teachers can’t impact student learning, shut all the schools down.
When they go to the capital to ask for more money it's all "teachers are the key to educating our youth!" but in discussions of performance it's all "we don't have any control over how students do!"
Posted on 5/4/21 at 3:04 pm to starkvingrad
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Sounds like you let your kid play too much on the computer
Go count triangles again
Posted on 5/4/21 at 3:05 pm to BigJim
^^. Exactly. Then why are they there?!
Posted on 5/4/21 at 3:09 pm to bogeypro
I’ve been told testing is racist.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 3:12 pm to bogeypro
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and given pay..
Payment in K-12 in the US is communism. The best teacher you ever had and the worst teacher you ever had made the same salary.
Student performance isn't a good base for pay. The best teacher in your district can't help the low IQ bastards.
The most neglected children in K-12 schools in America are the GTs. They will be the leaders of this nation. They need the best teachers. When these kids with very high IQs get moron teachers they don't just take a nap. They get disruptive to amuse themselves.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 3:12 pm to bogeypro
Teachers? No.
But colleges and professors should only get 5% of a student’s income for ten years after graduation. Let’s see how many want to teach gender studies then.
But colleges and professors should only get 5% of a student’s income for ten years after graduation. Let’s see how many want to teach gender studies then.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 3:13 pm to bogeypro
Incentives work. Even small ones. Just have to keep them from cheating.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 4:15 pm to bogeypro
Let teachers teach a high level of education and fail those that need to fail, kick out those that need to be kicked out, and build a large special Ed program for those who cannot succeed on pace...you know...how it was done 50 years ago.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 4:19 pm to Hennigan
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In an ideal world, yes.
But really there are too many variables to do it properly....
Welcome to the real world - teachers.
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