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bogeypro
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Should teachers be paid on student performance?
I’m not a teacher and not sure how they are graded and given pay... I’m just brainstorming.

I’m thinking the students should be tested by an outside agency. Teachers that have kids that do well should get increases. Teachers that take over underperforming students that can show levels of improvement, should also get more pay. Maybe that will encourage teachers to want to go to underperforming schools and make them better versus avoiding them or busing underperforming students to other schools (this is a big problem in my area).

Forget tenure all together.... Am I totally off base here?


jlovel7
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re: Should teachers be paid on student performance?
They'll just cook the numbers then.


Spelt it rong
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re: Should teachers be paid on student performance?
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Forget tenure all together.

Start here.


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Bulldogblitz
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re: Should teachers be paid on student performance?
A little on topic interlude.



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Hennigan
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re: Should teachers be paid on student performance?
In an ideal world, yes.

But really there are too many variables to do it properly...the State would frick the tests up anyway.


gobuxgo5
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re: Should teachers be paid on student performance?
I dont think standardizing test scores helps in any way. My 8 year old has the intelligence of a Navy Seal when playing fortnite.


idlewatcher
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re: Should teachers be paid on student performance?
Not sure about where you are, but new college grads with student loans can hop into a crappy school district, teach for I believe it's 5 years, then all of their student loans are forgiven free and clear.

It allows a new teacher who has zero real world teaching experience to hide behind a failing school district. Never been a fan of that program.


EKG
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Member since Jun 2010
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re: Should teachers be paid on student performance?
The issue is and always will be the highly migratory nature of some of public schools’ lowest performing students.

Many tend to bounce from school to school, district to district, yet their test scores are “counted” towards their most recent teachers/schools—despite having just moved into said areas.

In other words, a discrete student’s test scores—negatively or positively—don’t necessarily reflect on a particular teacher, yet they are viewed as such.
This post was edited on 5/4 at 4:05 pm


BamaScoop
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re: Should teachers be paid on student performance?
No, parents create good students not many teachers.


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sms151t
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re: Should teachers be paid on student performance?
No and that is all I will say to that

Just remember there are kids on teacher's rosters that they never see or have in class (ie SPED)


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Michael T. Tiger
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re: Should teachers be paid on student performance?
No. Teachers cannot possibly be held responsible for the shite homes that too many students come from where they don't have any parental support. There are too many variables to make teacher pay based on student performance. Additionally, I have seen too many students placed into situations/classrooms that they do not belong in. Administrations are setting them up to fail.


MMauler
Member since Jun 2013
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re: Should teachers be paid on student performance?
Parents should be paid based on student performance. Take away all of those child tax incentives and take that money and give parents money for how well their kids do in school.

THAT is the only way performance will improve in the projects. And, it will do wonders in school discipline.


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auggie
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re: Should teachers be paid on student performance?
Who would put together, this test for performance?


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HottyToddy7
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re: Should teachers be paid on student performance?
Ideally yes but all classrooms are different. Good teachers can’t make all kids pass. Bad teachers can’t make all students fail. It sounds good and i would love it (as a teacher) but it’s not practical. Parent involvement has as much of lot more influence on a kids performance as a teacher does.
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idlewatcher
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re: Should teachers be paid on student performance?
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Many tend to bounce from school to school, district to district, yet their test scores are “counted” towards their most recent teachers/schools—despite having just moved into said areas.


Pretty sure we're in the same city and it's super difficult to get a transfer waiver


lsufan1971
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re: Should teachers be paid on student performance?
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Maybe that will encourage teachers to want to go to underperforming schools and make them better


Would you want your wife or daughter going to the hood to teach in a war zone for a few $$$?

I remember a scene from the bonfire of the vanities. Bruce Willis character interviewed a teacher and asked him if a kid was an honor student.

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High achievements. We don't make those kind of comparisons. We just try to keep them off the streets. At Ruppert High, an honor student is somebody who comes to class and doesn't piss on the teacher.


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John Gotti
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re: Should teachers be paid on student performance?
Failing students are generally failing because of their parents.


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Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
12618 posts

re: Should teachers be paid on student performance?
I would underperforming students into vocational schools, as soon as practical. Perhaps first year of high school.

I realize that’s not what you asked. But expecting everyone to be educated is unrealistic, and undesirable.


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EKG
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re: Should teachers be paid on student performance?
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Pretty sure we're in the same city and it's super difficult to get a transfer waiver

Perhaps I worded my previous comment poorly.
I wasn’t referring to these students transferring schools while living at the same address.
I meant that many high-risk students find themselves in families who physically move from apartment complex to complex and city to city.


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David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
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re: Should teachers be paid on student performance?
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No. ... There are too many variables to make teacher pay based on student performance.

Name the profession where compensation is tied only to things 100% controlled by the worker.

Schools are failing - and it's not all because of parenting, and it certainly isn't because of a lack of funding. Teachers demand respect and compensation like other professions but don't want the stress/uncertainty that comes with it.

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Administrations are setting them up to fail

So? How is this different from engineers, financial analysts, salespeople, etc., that work for a company that's being steered into the ditch by the executive team?


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