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re: Like to hear the libertarian reaction to Trump's handling of Iran...
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:22 pm to Centinel
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:22 pm to Centinel
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Go back and read my post.
I did. You make it contingent upon ending all welfare programs. You might as well make it contingent on monkeys flying out of your arse. So the reality is, libertarians are for open borders.
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Of non-violent crimes. Why the hell are we locking people up who have not committed harm against another?
You don't consider the federal government taking 20 billion dollars per year from taxpayers and handing it to people who aren't even citizens of this country, harming those taxpayers? How about the crime they commit?
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Ya this isn't a thing.
Ya it is. Decriminalizing entering this country illegally is as much an incentive to do so, as the welfare.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:24 pm to Porky
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Thank goodness President Trump doesn't strictly adhere to any political mold or agenda. He is like no other President I can remember in my lifetime. And I honestly believe he is doing what he believes is in the best interest of our country.
I'll admit there's a lot to like about him. I am very disappointed though that he chose a lot for his cabinet those who he counted (and legitimately so) as Republicans who hated him and did everything they could to keep the establishment in place. I am grateful that he has chosen the mantle of "republican" while not being quite as much of a politician as the rest of them. But, I'm afraid he mostly resembles a conservative when it comes to rhetoric and a lot of his policies.
I do think he is mostly acting in what he thinks is best interest of the country. I just believe there are much better candidates than him to lead the country.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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saying "we need to change the rules" doesn't mean "frick the rules". remember, you are also arguing "we need to change the rules" as well
Change the wording on your website , instead of defending why these maggots illegally cross and then suck at the teat.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:25 pm to Sentrius
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They refuse to admit those welfare programs are never ever going to end short of a complete collapse of the United States Government.
Wrong. Libertarians admit that welfare programs are going to lead to the collapse of the United States Government.
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Except that is never going to happen.
So, big government Republican. Got it.
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So the next best thing is to make sure we have a tightly controlled and restricted border along with drastic and severe reductions in legal immigration.
The Libertarian solution, which we won't try because it'd be too hard to get, won't work. So, we are going to restrict everyone's rights and make government WAY bigger.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:27 pm to troyt37
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You don't consider the federal government taking 20 billion dollars per year from taxpayers and handing it to people who aren't even citizens of this country, harming those taxpayers? How about the crime they commit?
That's called libertarian conservatism not REAL conservatism.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:28 pm to Aubie Spr96
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So, big government Republican. Got it.
Multiple Republicans in here basically saying to hell with abolishing welfare. But muh socialism!
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:29 pm to 93and99
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Change the wording on your website
how about you read the wording you'r referencing?
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Libertarians do not support classifying undocumented immigrants as criminals. Our current immigration system is an embarrassment. People who would like to follow the legal procedures are unable to because these procedures are so complex and expensive and lengthy. If Americans want immigrants to enter through legal channels, we need to make those channels fair, reasonable, and accessible.
they are arguing that we just decrease government and simplify our immigration rules
they aren't "defending...maggots" as you put it
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then suck at the teat.
well Libertarians don't believe in this, either
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:29 pm to Zach
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Well, well, well, well, well, (clockwork orange). Now you have shifted your position. You believe that border walls can be justified. An invasion is an immanent threat. Millions of people coming here to create a welfare based socialist state is an immanent threat. It's happening. Stopping it is a justified protection of a free society.
Wrong, and I haven’t shifted anything.
Your definition of immanent threat (as a direct violation of your rights) includes simply having a neighbor who supports socialism/communism and you believe you have the right to use violence to expel them from their property because they MIGHT convince your neighbors to gang up and steal your stuff. What’s worse is that you are collectivizing individuals in your sadistic belief that you have the right to use violence against others for what their political beliefs might be.
My idea of immanent threat, as I already explained, is a gun in your face, or someone announcing that they’re imminently going to harm you (like, as soon as I finish building this bomb, I’m going to blow you up). But I would not ban all my neighbors from owning guns just because some might commit crimes with them.
Don’t want communists around you? Don’t sell your property to them, and encourage your neighbors to do the same.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:29 pm to troyt37
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You don't consider the federal government taking 20 billion dollars per year from taxpayers and handing it to people who aren't even citizens of this country, harming those taxpayers?
you think libertarians support wealth redistribution programs?
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:31 pm to troyt37
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You don't consider the federal government taking 20 billion dollars per year from taxpayers and handing it to people who aren't even citizens of this country, harming those taxpayers
We are talking violation of rights, not shitty fiscal policy. Try to stay on topic.
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How about the crime they commit?
Again, not a violation of your rights in any way unless they are trespassing on your property.
For the record I am against illegal immigration and think all illegals should be deported until such time as their incentive for coming here illegally is removed. But don't make this like this is some gross violation of your individual rights. It's not.
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Decriminalizing entering this country illegally is as much an incentive to do so, as the welfare.
No, it's not. With out the later, the former doesn't matter. So why aren't you focusing on the root cause? Because it's too hard?
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
Mate your picture is plastered all over the OT
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:32 pm to Centinel
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f non-violent crimes. Why the hell are we locking people up who have not committed harm against another?
Property crime is a big issue that doesn't necessarily directly cause physical harm. But it definitely harms people and businesses.
Some states have a higher threshold on the $ amount. Oh shite, I can go steal $900 from you and be good.
But what if you desperately needed that to buy food for your family? Sorry chap, no harm no foul.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:33 pm to SCLibertarian
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Multiple Republicans in here basically saying to hell with abolishing welfare.
It's amazing.
I know that Libertarians' have what could be considered fringe views on many political and social topics. This week with the Iran thing is a perfect example of that. However, the appeal to me is the moral and philosophical consistency of the party. It's the only political party I've found with a compass of core values to guide them. Rs and Ds simply swing in the political breeze with their stances. A Libertarian from 30 years ago has the same core values and beliefs of a Libertarian from today. You can't say that with Rs and Ds.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:34 pm to dgnx6
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Property crime is a big issue that doesn't necessarily directly cause physical harm. But it definitely harms people and businesses.
Are you saying this issue is primarily the result of illegal immigrants?
I mean at least here in Richland County, I can tell you it's not the messicans that are the problem. If you don't believe me, just watch Live PD.
This post was edited on 1/8/20 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:34 pm to SirWinston
probably a terrible one. which thread?
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:34 pm to SCLibertarian
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Multiple Republicans in here basically saying to hell with abolishing welfare. But muh socialism!
Multiple republicans realistically looking for solutions to the problem. I am 100% behind abolishing welfare. I am also 100% sure that unless the democrat party becomes as small as the libertarian party, and the republican party purges all the half assed conservatives, that abolishing welfare will never happen.
So how do we address the problem realistically? First you place a physical barrier between the citizens and their property, and the invaders.
Or would you like to just continue pretending like there is some possibility of abolishing welfare?
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:35 pm to troyt37
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Multiple republicans realistically looking for solutions to the problem
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:36 pm to CFFreak
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I just believe there are much better candidates than him to lead the country.
Which ones?
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:36 pm to troyt37
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So how do we address the problem realistically?
Step 1:
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the republican party purges all the half assed conservatives
Step 2: Control Congress.
Step 3: Profit.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:38 pm to Centinel
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Are you saying this issue is primarily the result of illegal immigrants?
I was replying to you speaking of jailing people who don't commit violent crimes or actually harm people.
Im not saying that illegals will come here and start stealing cars like our legal citizens of Nola do. But I think those fricks should be punished.
I may have misinterpreted your statement, but it seems to me, you don't think they should.
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