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Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:53 pm to Wednesday
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I believe the takeout on solemani was justified due to the attack on the embassy that he planned, regardless of whether he was planning something else. But the fact that he was actually in Iraq leads me to believe he was in fact planning attack on our people. If you set a redline, and the enemy crosses, there has to be a response and a true show of force.
If I had my druthers we would have left the day the rest of the assholes aligned with Iran voted for their dumb resolution to have us leave. But it all worked out well anyway.
Trump’s indication that he won’t retaliate is perfect. It shows that we only will take such drastic measures if you actually attack Americans and harm them, not if you just posture. They didn’t hit us, they just had a swing and a miss.
Couldn’t be more pleased.
Very calm and logical point of view.
I agree.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:53 pm to 93and99
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and I will NEVER change my mind
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:54 pm to SCLibertarian
quote:Exactly
Rand's foreign policy positions are clear as day. You just don't like them.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:54 pm to LSUconvert
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There is nothing that Trump has done that is inconsistent with libertarian philosophy.
EO-ing the ban on bump stocks isn't very libertarian
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:56 pm to troyt37
Americans shouldn't be in Iran to begin with.
This is about the best outcome I can think of, because as libertarian as I am, you cannot just let people attack your embassy. That being said, I just assume most of the people who attacked it were involved so they could get money for the MIC.
This is about the best outcome I can think of, because as libertarian as I am, you cannot just let people attack your embassy. That being said, I just assume most of the people who attacked it were involved so they could get money for the MIC.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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did you have O Fortuna playing in your head when you wrote this emotional diatribe? do you have the emotional ability of a 10 year old girl?
I don't know what the hell you're talking about. The facts are we have somewhere just shy of 30 million criminal illegals in this country right now, and although both parties are responsible for it, we now have had a president trying to fix that problem for three years, and if the libertarian types didn't suck we may have already put a serious dent in that number, with hundreds of thousands more finding it nearly impossible to enter illegally.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:59 pm to Zach
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The shift of the US to Communism and no freedom. It happens all the time when people don't use violence to protect freedom.
We’re talking about libertarian principles here, and fundamental human rights. Like I said earlier, property owners have the right to build their own communist commune/society on their own land so long as they don’t violate anyone else’s rights, and as long as all it’s members are participating there voluntarily.
We only have the right to defend against that communist commune if they violate someone’s rights, or demonstrate an immanent threat to violate our rights such as pointing a gun in your face or announcing plans to come violate your rights. You have no right to violate their rights just because you don’t like their personal social and economic agreements among themselves.
By your logic, other Americans have the right to use violence against libertarians if they deem it a threat.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:59 pm to troyt37
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This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 1:53 am
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:59 pm to troyt37
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, stated more clearly, Libertarians support the democrat agenda of open borders, making it easier for criminal aliens to come here and stay here, while paying lip service to the conservative agenda of having a physical barrier between the citizens and the foreign invaders.
Stop with the Democratic agenda, my views are based on principle. To your second point A. you have a 2nd amendment to protect yourself, family and your property B. Quit being afraid of everyone
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:00 pm to efrad
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So if he was a libertarian that supported open borders in 2000, are you suggesting that Harry Browne would no longer be a libertarian now? Or are you suggesting that it's OK to define libertarianism as one thing pre-2000 and a different thing post-2000? Do you not see your inconsistency here?
Harry Browne's driving philosophy was distrust of govt regulation. He would not agree with the party right now. He would not have supported any of the candidates starting with Bob Barr.
He would still distrust govt today and be intrigued with the idea of minarchism. He would certainly approve of the post office being replaced by private online transactions and deliveries.
But he believed in the functions of courts, police and defense of the nation because he realized they protected freedom. There is nothing inconsistent.
PS...I've really enjoyed the conversation but I have to sign off in 15 minutes so make it quick.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:01 pm to troyt37
Oh, did I miss another thread where social conservatives shite all over libertarians because we're not in lockstep with them over social issues?
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:02 pm to upgrayedd
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Like to hear the libertarian reaction to Trump's handling of Iran...
Sorry , I am not a follower of freaks who love open borders.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:03 pm to Pdubntrub
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Stop with the Democratic agenda, my views are based on principle.
That principle being that the producers in this country should be on the hook to pay for the wants and needs of anyone who can walk across our border? That principle? You people know we spend somewhere between 15 and 20 billion dollars per year on these criminals, for God's sake.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:03 pm to TigerWhatIR
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or demonstrate an immanent threat to violate our rights
Well, well, well, well, well, (clockwork orange). Now you have shifted your position. You believe that border walls can be justified. An invasion is an immanent threat. Millions of people coming here to create a welfare based socialist state is an immanent threat. It's happening. Stopping it is a justified protection of a free society.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:04 pm to 93and99
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Sorry , I am not a follower of freaks who love open borders.
What if I told you most libertarians are ok with open borders *after* all welfare programs are ended?
This post was edited on 1/8/20 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:05 pm to 93and99
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Sorry , I am not a follower of freaks who love open borders.
I don't think you're much of a fan of calm rational thought either
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:05 pm to upgrayedd
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There is nothing that Trump has done that is inconsistent with libertarian philosophy. EO-ing the ban on bump stocks isn't very libertarian
The context was the wiping out of General Salmonella.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:05 pm to Zach
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The context was the wiping out of General Salmonella.
Ah, gotcha
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:06 pm to Centinel
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Oh, did I miss another thread where social conservatives shite all over libertarians because we're not in lockstep with them over social issues?
No, but I think you may have missed several where libertarians shite on conservatives for protecting Americans and American interests. I just wanted to give them an opportunity to let everyone know they were wrong, and dangerously so, as usual.
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